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frvcvs you are full of it.
Happ was a starter ALL YEAR LONG, in the regular rotation, he threw 7+ innings in 4 out of 5 starts in August (ERA 1.67), and 5+ innings in 3 out of 4 starts in September (ERA 4.43).
Pedro didn't throw for over 6 weeks and came back with 7 shutout innings in the NLCS. Because he tweaked his neck in an at-bat.
Happ doesn't need to "stretch out" because he didn't have any real time off, except that he has been working middle relief because Charlie thinks he is too young/inexperienced for the pressure. And NOT because his arm is not stretched out. Its just plain ludicrous to claim a pitcher is not stretched out when he was in the starting rotation 1 month ago and has not been injured and has worked regularly in middle relief.
Pettitte is gonna get shelled, he is simply too old and not strong enough to go on 3 days rest. It worked for him 13 years ago, but the body needs more recovery time when you are 37 than when you are 24. I actually would rather see Pettitte on the mound than Gaudin - he is fresh and could throw a tough 3-4 innings.
But I don't see good things for Pedro either. You can quick pitch Jeter once...but the second time may not go so well.
I anticipate a rocky ride in game 6.
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Again you're showing a total lack of understanding when it comes to managing pitchers and their arms.
Do you think they just threw Pedro out there after a month off? You don't think they stetched him out with simulated games, rehab starts in the minors and bullpen sessions? Cause I'm pretty sure they did.. You want to know why they did that? To stretch him out. Why do you think in spring training starters only start out by throwing 2 innings and work their way up to long appearances?
Happ has not started since 9/29. Happ has not thrown more than 5.2ip since 10/2. And you think Manual can just give him a pat on the ass and tell him to "Get er done" for 6 solid in Game 7 of the world series? I don't doubt Happ's abilities. The kid is good. And will most likely be very good in the near future. You just need to understand there's more to pitching than going out and throwing.
There's a reason why starters like Cliff Lee can go 9 strong. And there's a reason why relievers can pitch 3, 4 or even 5 days in a week. Their workout regimes are very different. The pacing of their game is very different as starters need to pace themselve and not just try an over power every batter. If I had to choose between CC on short-rest or a promising kid who hasn't started in over a moth for a game seven situation it'd be a no-brainer. If Happ gives you 6 solid innings it'd be straight up heroic. I don't think it's impossible, just highly unlikely. If anything I say you platoon him with hamels. Have him ready in the pen and have Hamels on a very short leash. Hamels can be very good from time to time. Even in this down season. I think you guys need to give him the chance to show which hamels will show up. He's as unpredictable as BUrnett, and we already saw the bad Hamels.
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Hamels sucks. I'd throw Happ and keep him on a short leash with Myers in middle relief, then Chan Ho Park, etc.
Happ was an officially named starter in the wildcard series, but Charlie went with Pedro instead because the snow day gave him more rest.
Happ was tabbed to start in the NLCS but took a sharp shot to the leg in middle relief so Charlie went with Pedro instead.
Happ is stretched out, is a regular starter, and probably won't get the ball from Charlie who would rather throw the series by giving the ball to Cole Hamels.
I just hope the Phils stay alive so we can sort all this out Thursday...
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Yeah you guys need to get through wed. before you can worry about any of that. And facing elimination Manuel may need to go to happ from the pen tying his hands. But what good is a rested happ if you don't win Wed?
You guys are still in it and anything is possible but you guys have a lot more questions than answers right now. I like our odds.
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Hey frvcvs, I thought you were a Dodgers guy, now you're a Yankees guy? Anyway, this will be an interesting game 6. Pettitte's always been able to get outs with mediocre stuff at best. I don't know that pitching on 3 days rest will make much difference. He's a tough competitor who can win without breaking a pane of glass. If he leaves the ball up, he'll be gone by the 2nd or 3rd inning, but if he keeps it down, he could be ok. Anything can happen with Pedro. He could get shelled, or pitch 7 innings of shutout ball. Once the starters are out, the scoreboard is gonna light up like a Christmas tree. I want to see Utley hit #6.
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Always have been a yankees guy. Was raised a yankees guy and that won't change. I like the Dodgers cause I like Torre and Donny and I'm happy to see them win when they're not playing the Yankees. I also find both Ethier and Kemp very entertaining and compelling young players who I have fun watching when I go to games just a few miles from my house.
That said I'm a Yankees fan till the day I die. It doesn't hurt me to see the dodgers lose. But I'm happy for them when they win. Is that ok?
I agree with what you say about Pettitte. I'm mildly concerned about him on short rest. I think you need to have Gaudin ready to go from the 2nd or third inning on. I'd really like to end this wed. I like our chances against Pedro a second time around. Some of our guys have never even seen Pedro going into Game 2. But then again Pedro is a fierce competitor and he knows that this could very well be his last chance on the big stage and he may pull out a real gem. Either way I think we're in for some entertaining baseball.
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It's completely ok. I'm more of a fan of certain players than I am of particular teams. Living in CA, I try to support the local teams as much as possible, so I was really pulling for the Dodgers and Angels. Completely agree about Torre and Don. Mattingly was one of my idols growing up. I also really like a lot of the Phillies players - I'd like to see Howard snap out of it. I don't really care who wins the series, just want it to go 7.
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Obviously I want the Yankees to win it. But as a fan who's been on the right side of blowouts it's definitely sweeter when you win a hard fought close series. And for it to be really sweet you need to lose sometimes as well...like 2003 and 2001. I hate blowouts in any sport, from any perspective. I like competition. I like biting my nails and sitting on the edge of my seat. And so far this series is delivering.
To this day I've never seen a more competitive series as the conference finals in the NHL in 1994 when the Rangers beat the Devils in 7. I swear I lost a year of my life watching it and gave myself an ulcer in the process. But it was so great I wouldn't have it any other way.
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I just hate Yankee fans. It just says something about a person's character. People with character from the NYC area are Mets fans.
It has to do with the way the Yankees have always bought their way to the top and been ruled as though there were petulant pre-teenage boys with large wallets owning them. The Yankees are paying nearly $100 million more, per year, for their players than the Phillies - almost twice as much. If they don't win, the owners should fire themselves. You CAN buy championships.
The sixth highest paid Yankee (Rivera) makes as much as the highest paid Philly - and those top six make more than the entire 20 man Phillies roster.
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I disagree, but maybe my Philly fandom is skewing my vision.
I have no problem with Yankees fans from the NY area. It's all the bandwagoneers that have jumped aboard during the team's history that make me dislike the Yanks.
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I just hate Yankee fans. It just says something about a person's character. People with character from the NYC area are Mets fans.
It has to do with the way the Yankees have always bought their way to the top and been ruled as though there were petulant pre-teenage boys with large wallets owning them. The Yankees are paying nearly $100 million more, per year, for their players than the Phillies - almost twice as much. If they don't win, the owners should fire themselves. You CAN buy championships.
The sixth highest paid Yankee (Rivera) makes as much as the highest paid Philly - and those top six make more than the entire 20 man Phillies roster.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! 
You haven't even lost yet and you're already bitching. Amazing.
And somehow you attribute the spending of the owners to the fans? Clearly you've never lived in NYC. If you did you'd know. Met's fans for the most part come from Long Island and Queens. As far as the spending, I'd really like to see you try to run a competitive team in the pressure cooker that's New York.
Money doesn't win World Series...just ask the 2003 Marlins about that. Or better yet why don't you ask Omar Minaya what his spending got him this season?
I'm not a fan because my team spends more. I'm a fan because I was raised a fan of a long-standing legendary franchise. I grew up 40min from the stadium and was going to 20-30 games a year from the time I was around 10 or 11. Thats what makes you a fan. I was there when the yanks weren't spending more than other teams in 1998 and still won it all. And I was there when we got pied in the face by the marlin's who payroll we dwarfed. Money can give you a consistently competitive team but it can't win you a championship.
Is it fair that you guys spent $50million more than your division-mate Nationals? You sound like a hypocritical Red Sox fan, bitching about Yankees spending while still outspending 80-90% of the league. Nothing but sour grapes.
Have you even been to a game in the Bronx? Until you have you're nobody to comment on the character of our fans.
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I've been to the house that Ruth built, and Shea. And lots of other stadiums. When I was young I watched Reggie play, along with Catfish Hunter and Thurman Munson et al. The people at Shea are different from those in Yankee stadium. They are all local. Shea stadium was no tourist destination. No one cheered for the Mets EXCEPT people from the immediate NYC area. They loved their team because it was their team.
The Yankees sort of transcended that. A signficant fraction of their fans like them BECAUSE they deliver winners, which, when combined with double the payroll of their opponents, becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. And you destroy the incarnation of American dream in baseball - the idea that with enough raw talent and hard work amazing things can be accomplished. No, you are a Yankees fan. You can be on top of the world because you are entitled to it.
Therein lies the difference.
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Envious you got to see Thurmon and Catfish play. Pretty sweet.
You still never answered my question. If it's unfair that the Yankees are playing against your $111million payroll how is it fair when you play the Nat's with their $60million payroll or the Marlin's with their $36.8million payroll. Until you're at the bottom it's kinda hard to complain isn't it?
Better yet how is it that the Marlins ($36.8 Million) finished 2nd in the NL East while the Met's finished 4th in the NL east with their $149.3 Million payroll? Is money really everything? 
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The Yankees are not hate and money.
The only reason people hate the Yankees is beacuse they are winners, something about the human nature that makes us hate winners. For instance, this forum. You can see a lot of people hating Kelly, the biggest winner ever in the sport.
You should know better:
http://www.unisci.com/stories/20021/0213025.htm
http://adammclane.com/2009/10/12/americans-love-to-hate-winners/
However, if not hate, what are The Yankees you ask?
Well, for starters, The Yankees are New York and the Yankees were New York way before The Mets ever existed, so you can put them aside for a minute.
Also, NYC is the capital of the world and so you have all of this people from so many different origins coming to NY and when this people go back home, they take the Yankees with them. And I know this very well because I took the Yankess home with me from New York.
The people from NY who retire to warmer weather or the ones relocating to a new town for a new job, they also take the Yankees with them.
Thats why you can find Yankees fans all over the USA and all over the world.
The Yankees are also the legends, the classic times, Yankee Stadium, the Yankees are Babe Ruth, Lou Gehring the luckiest man in the world, Joe Dimaggio, Yogi Berra, Mickey Mantle, Roger Maris, Reggie Jackson, Don Mattingly, Paul O`Neil, Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera, the greates players to ever play the game, players who have followers of their own who in turn become Yankees fans, who pass on the Yankees to their kids, just like my 8 and 6 year old boys who havent ever been to NYC or cant even speak English,but they are Yankees fans and they want to be like Alex Rodríguez when they grow old.
That, my friend, that is The Yankees, the greatest team ever.
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The Yankees are not hate and money.
The Yankees are New York and the Yankees were New York way before The Mets ever existed.
Also, NYC is the capital of the world and so you have all of this people from so many different origins coming to NY and when this people go back home, they take the Yankees with them.
The people from NY who retire to warmer weather or the ones relocating to a new town for a new job, they also take the Yankees with them.
Thats why you can find Yankees fans all over the USA and all over the world.
The Yankees are also the legends, the classic times, Yankee Stadium, the Yankees are Babe Ruth, Lou Gehring the luckiest man in the world, Joe Dimaggio, Yogi Berra, Mickey Mantle, Roger Maris, Reggie Jackson, Don Mattingly, Paul O`Neil, Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera, the greates players to ever play the game, players who have followers of their own who in turn become Yankees fans, who pass on the Yankees to their kids, just like my 8 and 6 year old boys who havent ever been to NYC or cant even speak English,but they are Yankees fans and they want to be like Alex Rodríguez when they grow old.
That, my friend, that is The Yankees, the greatest team ever.
Agreed for the most part. The late nineties dynasty definitely spawned some fairweather friends and bandwagoneers. But most of them jumped ship to jump on the Red Sox Nation bandwagon a few years back. If we win this series it should be interesting to see who jumps back on.
The Yankees won the world series the year I was born (1978) and didn't win it again for 18yrs. I was being molded into a fan during the era of Mattingly, Rickey, Willie and Pags.
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My fondness for the Yankees may be a bit different than most. Growing up, I was a serious baseball historian, and I wanted to BE Mickey Mantle even though he retired 3 or 4 years before I was born. I loved them in the 80's due to Don Mattingly (even though that was their worst decade). In 1990, in my first rookie ball game against them, I was playing third base and caught a vicious liner off the bat of Rick Cerone, yes, Rick Fvcking Cerone. He was rehabing an injury. Later that game, I hit my first professional HR to win the first game of the double-header, and a 2-run single to win the 2nd. This was just a few days after graduating from High School. From that day on over the next 5 years, I absolutely owned Yankee pitching, especially Andy Pettitte. The Yankee players were amongst the coolest I ever played against, and I became pretty good friends with some. The only two that are still around are Pettitte and Posada. They are making millions while I jockey my cubicle, and try to sneak in a dawn patrol a couple days a week. But I have great memories from playing against them.
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That's cool, we're you drafted by an organization, or playing in a non-affiliated league?
Hitting against Petite must have been tough with that leg kick and all. And he's got a great pick off move as well.
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My fondness for the Yankees may be a bit different than most. Growing up, I was a serious baseball historian, and I wanted to BE Mickey Mantle even though he retired 3 or 4 years before I was born. I loved them in the 80's due to Don Mattingly (even though that was their worst decade). In 1990, in my first rookie ball game against them, I was playing third base and caught a vicious liner off the bat of Rick Cerone, yes, Rick Fvcking Cerone. He was rehabing an injury. Later that game, I hit my first professional HR to win the first game of the double-header, and a 2-run single to win the 2nd. This was just a few days after graduating from High School. From that day on over the next 5 years, I absolutely owned Yankee pitching, especially Andy Pettitte. The Yankee players were amongst the coolest I ever played against, and I became pretty good friends with some. The only two that are still around are Pettitte and Posada. They are making millions while I jockey my cubicle, and try to sneak in a dawn patrol a couple days a week. But I have great memories from playing against them.
Awesome dude. I'd kill for an opportunity to just stand in the box against someone like Pettitte. If you got the time I'd love to hear more baseball stories.
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That's cool, we're you drafted by an organization, or playing in a non-affiliated league?
Hitting against Petite must have been tough with that leg kick and all. And he's got a great pick off move as well.
Drafted by the Braves - 3rd round 1990. Never paid much attention to Pettitte's leg kick as a hitter - I was looking at the logo on his hat, and his release point. His move was/is nasty. Since I'm right handed, my approach against him (and most lefties) was look for the ball up, and drive it to right-center. Lay off anything off-speed early in the count unless it was up.
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Thats pretty sweet. My brother in-law was a heavily scouted high-school prospect. Played with Grady Sizemore growing up, even won the center field position from him. Apparently he was being scouted heavily, more so than Sizemore till he broke his throwing arm in a snowboarding accident ending his baseball career. I was talking to his old man about it over a scotch at the rehearsal dinner. He gets real emotional about it. He's really convinced he had what it takes to make the bigs. He's still good friends with Grady to this day.
The closest I have to big league experience is taking batting practice from George Foster as a kid.
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You make a lot of good points but I strongly disagree with
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c'mon
whose?
Yours?
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This is too good not to post
For those that don't get the reference:
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A-Rod News From The 'You Can't Make This Stuff Up' Department...
Like I do every day, when I want a dose of hard-hitting sports news, I turn to US Weekly. The periodical has not one but two bits of information regarding our heroic, purple-lipped, World Series-strikeout machine.
Let's cut right to the chase here, because there is no side-stepping the absolute ridiculousness of it. In an *EXCLUSIVE* story, US Weekly reports that a former lov-ah characterizes Rodriguez as a narcissist of sorts, going so far as to have two portraits of himself depicted as a centaur.
"He was so vain," his ex tells Us Weekly. "He had not one, but two painted portraits of himself as a centaur. You know, the half man, half horse figure?"
Adds the ex, "It was ridiculous."
Hoo boy. Apparently, one portrait hung over his bed. No word on the location of the other painting. Perhaps hanging above his ha-tub?
Moving on, Kate Hudson, A-Rod's current flame, has a tendency to gush during about their spirited bouts of Skanko-Roman wrestling.
"They love sex!" a pal tells Us Weekly of the pair who began dating in May. "They talk about it all day. Kate gets graphic talking about his body, even to her parents."
Holy crap! A couple is passionate about their lovemaking at the beginning of their relationship? Scandalous! All I know is Chris Robinson is weeping. Not because of Kate Hudson, his ex, but because he just ran out of grass. I hate it when that happens.
We have long suspected that Mr. Rodriguez may have some "issues," but if this is true, it really takes the cake. I mean, a centuar? Come on. How very droll. Sure, with the vast sums of money I have accumulated from sports blogging, I recently commissioned a painting of me as a minotaur, but since a minotaur is a man with a bull's head, it turned out just to be a regular old portrait of me. I guess I should have consulted my Dungeons & Dragons Monster's Manual beforehand. I'll never get that money back.
Nevertheless, a centaur is an interesting choice, especially for A-Rod. Wouldn't have a satyr, in particular the god Pan, been more appropriate? Not due to Rodriguez's penchant for Dionysian revelry, but because he's on his way to being the goat of the World Series?
Get it? You do? Still not laughing? Oh.
Yes I'm a yankee fan, but I can still laugh when someone makes a funny.
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Pedro throws 7 full innings of 2 run ball. Stymies the Yankees. And walks away from the mound at the end of the 7th having thrown his last pitch in MLB. Middle relief and Madson take over, and allow two more runs.
Pettitte gets rocked for 5 runs in the first 5 innings before middle relief takes over. Relief takes over, lets in only 1 run in 4 innings. After the game Pettitte says the 3 day rest was not a factor, but that he had an even harder time hitting his spots than he did in game 3, and had to grind out what he could.
Phillies end up winning 6-4.
BTW, Pedro may be an old man, but he is only 8 months older than Pettitte.
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They say A-Rod is half horse because of the inmense size of his horse-like manhood.
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Pedro throws 7 full innings of 2 run ball. Stymies the Yankees. And walks away from the mound at the end of the 7th having thrown his last pitch in MLB. Middle relief and Madson take over, and allow two more runs.
Pettitte gets rocked for 5 runs in the first 5 innings before middle relief takes over. Relief takes over, lets in only 1 run in 4 innings. After the game Pettitte says the 3 day rest was not a factor, but that he had an even harder time hitting his spots than he did in game 3, and had to grind out what he could.
Phillies end up winning 6-4.
BTW, Pedro may be an old man, but he is only 8 months older than Pettitte.
If we're going with predictions here's mine. I like to think I'm a little more pragmatic.
Pedro exits in the middle of the 5th with a 5-3 lead. Manuel gives the ball to Park who gives up a run making it 5-4 until the 8th.
Mariano is in for a scoreless 8th walking 1.
Madson gets the ball in the bottom of the 8th. Gives up one run as Derek Jeter drives in Brett Gardner with a base hit to shallow right field, Gardner is safe in the play at the plate.
Madson gets out of the inning with the game tied 5-5
Mariano pitches a 1 hit 9th.
Manuel goes to Lidge (gulp)
Johnny Damon leads off the bottom of the 9th with an 8 pitch walk.
Teixeira wins the game with a walk-off home run....he's due.
Lidge promptly commits himself to Bellvue Psych Ward and won't be seen again in the spotlight till he shows up as a contestant on Dancing With The Stars.
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Pedro throws 7 full innings of 2 run ball. Stymies the Yankees. And walks away from the mound at the end of the 7th having thrown his last pitch in MLB. Middle relief and Madson take over, and allow two more runs.
Pettitte gets rocked for 5 runs in the first 5 innings before middle relief takes over. Relief takes over, lets in only 1 run in 4 innings. After the game Pettitte says the 3 day rest was not a factor, but that he had an even harder time hitting his spots than he did in game 3, and had to grind out what he could.
Phillies end up winning 6-4.
BTW, Pedro may be an old man, but he is only 8 months older than Pettitte.
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PROS & CONS as I see them:
Yankees Pros:
-Home field advantage
-Have 2 chances
-Mariano didn't pitch in game 5. He's locked and loaded for 6 outs tonight. He's the greatest closer ever and is showing no signs of decline.
-Pettitte is the winningest pitcher in post-season history, he's been here before.
-The Yankees will be adding Posada and Matsui back into the line-up.
-A-Rod and Johnny have been hot.
Yankees cons:
-Middle relief isn't a guarantee
-Pettitte is up there in age to be throwing on 3 days rest
-Teixeira and Cano's bats have been dead.
-We're going to miss Melky's bat in the bottom of the order. He's been surprisingly clutch for us in the later innings all season.
Philly pros:
-Chase Utley has been ridiculous.
-Pedro is Pedro and he thrives in the spotlight.
Philly cons:
-Ryan Howard has been atrocious and he can't hit lefties. Pettitte is a lefty and should pitch around Utley.
-Victorino is day to day with his finger. He'll probably play but won't be 100% and it'll effect his throwing and batting.
-Every reliever in the Phils pen not named Park and Eyre has given up a run this series. Particularly their late inning relief.
-Brad Lidge can't save a game on the big stage, leaving Madson to do the duty. Madson looked shaky at best on tuesday barely getting out of the 9th with the home crowd behind him, how will he do in the bronx?
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The ONLY relevant material to this discussion...
Pedro has an ERA one and a half runs LOWER than Pettitte this postseason.
Pedro has FIVE days rest and is 38 years old. Pettitte has THREE days rest and is 37 years old. The Phils have a HUGE edge on the starter. Pedro has a lower ERA than Pettitte if both are rested, but ONLY PEDRO IS RESTED. If Pettitte is lucky he can perform well for about 60 pitches - leaving the game in inning 4 or 5. Pedro should go 100+ and make 6-7 innings.
The rest is pretty much a wash until you get to closers (where Rivera is an obvious edge). Both middle reliefs have given up runs a plenty. But the Yankees will have 2-3 MORE innings of middle relief than the Phils.
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Pedro has an ERA one and a half runs LOWER than Pettitte this postseason.
Pedro has FIVE days rest and is 38 years old. Pettitte has THREE days rest and is 37 years old. The Phils have a HUGE edge on the starter. Pedro has a lower ERA than Pettitte if both are rested, but ONLY PEDRO IS RESTED. If Pettitte is lucky he can perform well for about 60 pitches - leaving the game in inning 4 or 5. Pedro should go 100+ and make 6-7 innings.
The rest is pretty much a wash until you get to closers (where Rivera is an obvious edge). Both middle reliefs have given up runs a plenty. But the Yankees will have 2-3 MORE innings of middle relief than the Phils.
+1. I'm not going to make any inning by inning predictions like you guys did, but I'm looking forward to a good game and hopefully a Phillies win. Bring on game 7.
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The ONLY relevant material to this discussion...
Pedro has an ERA one and a half runs LOWER than Pettitte this postseason.
Pedro has FIVE days rest and is 38 years old. Pettitte has THREE days rest and is 37 years old. The Phils have a HUGE edge on the starter. Pedro has a lower ERA than Pettitte if both are rested, but ONLY PEDRO IS RESTED. If Pettitte is lucky he can perform well for about 60 pitches - leaving the game in inning 4 or 5. Pedro should go 100+ and make 6-7 innings.
The rest is pretty much a wash until you get to closers (where Rivera is an obvious edge). Both middle reliefs have given up runs a plenty. But the Yankees will have 2-3 MORE innings of middle relief than the Phils.
All I'm gonna say after game 5 is that you better have a 5 run lead going into the 8th or you won't win this game. Can you agree with that?
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Maybe its just because that guy Degreense has me in a spamming mood, but a buddy here at work has an extra ticket in a lower row in right field (FAIR TERRITORY) for sale, $500 OBO. This section (207) is going for $1000+ on stub hub.
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The ONLY relevant material to this discussion...
Pedro has an ERA one and a half runs LOWER than Pettitte this postseason.
Pedro has FIVE days rest and is 38 years old. Pettitte has THREE days rest and is 37 years old. The Phils have a HUGE edge on the starter. Pedro has a lower ERA than Pettitte if both are rested, but ONLY PEDRO IS RESTED. If Pettitte is lucky he can perform well for about 60 pitches - leaving the game in inning 4 or 5. Pedro should go 100+ and make 6-7 innings.
The rest is pretty much a wash until you get to closers (where Rivera is an obvious edge). Both middle reliefs have given up runs a plenty. But the Yankees will have 2-3 MORE innings of middle relief than the Phils.
All I'm gonna say after game 5 is that you better have a 5 run lead going into the 8th or you won't win this game. Can you agree with that?
It would certainly help, and I would definitely feel a lot more comfortable, but it's not absolutely necessary to have a big lead going into the 8th. Just because the Phils' late relief hasn't done well yet in this series doesn't mean they don't have it in them.
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Maybe its just because that guy Degreense has me in a spamming mood, but a buddy here at work has an extra ticket in a lower row in right field (FAIR TERRITORY) for sale, $500 OBO. This section (207) is going for $1000+ on stub hub.
If I was in NYC I'd buy that ticket in a heartbeat.
Thats a pretty decent price. My boss flew out for Game 1. Paid $1800 a seat. Thought about staying for Game 2 and seats in that section almost doubled to $3800. These seats of course were 15 rows back on the 3b line. I'd imagine they're pushing $5k for a possible clincher.
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The ONLY relevant material to this discussion...
Pedro has an ERA one and a half runs LOWER than Pettitte this postseason.
Pedro has FIVE days rest and is 38 years old. Pettitte has THREE days rest and is 37 years old. The Phils have a HUGE edge on the starter. Pedro has a lower ERA than Pettitte if both are rested, but ONLY PEDRO IS RESTED. If Pettitte is lucky he can perform well for about 60 pitches - leaving the game in inning 4 or 5. Pedro should go 100+ and make 6-7 innings.
The rest is pretty much a wash until you get to closers (where Rivera is an obvious edge). Both middle reliefs have given up runs a plenty. But the Yankees will have 2-3 MORE innings of middle relief than the Phils.
All I'm gonna say after game 5 is that you better have a 5 run lead going into the 8th or you won't win this game. Can you agree with that?
It would certainly help, and I would definitely feel a lot more comfortable, but it's not absolutely necessary to have a big lead going into the 8th. Just because the Phils' late relief hasn't done well yet in this series doesn't mean they don't have it in them.
How many times do I have to repeat myself, you do not have a closer. A clinching game of the world series is not the time for auditions. The yanks have the advantage of being the home team. Which means more than in any other sport. And we showed in Game 5 that no matter how out of hand a game seems we don't just roll over. I wouldn't be surprised if you guys were to take a lead into the later innings. You're a very good team. But who in the 8th and 9th is gonna shut us down? Your best bet at this point is Scott Eyre who the Yanks have seen very little of.
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Yeah I would grab it too, but just spent my last coin on a wedding deposit, and two tix to CR...No brainer, really.
And besides, I've been banned from the Bronx for the remainder of the season...My boss was only half-joking about me jinxing them at Game 1, but seriously, if we were to lose tonight and he heard i was at the stadium, he would fire my ass...
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The ONLY relevant material to this discussion...
Pedro has an ERA one and a half runs LOWER than Pettitte this postseason.
Pedro has FIVE days rest and is 38 years old. Pettitte has THREE days rest and is 37 years old. The Phils have a HUGE edge on the starter. Pedro has a lower ERA than Pettitte if both are rested, but ONLY PEDRO IS RESTED. If Pettitte is lucky he can perform well for about 60 pitches - leaving the game in inning 4 or 5. Pedro should go 100+ and make 6-7 innings.
The rest is pretty much a wash until you get to closers (where Rivera is an obvious edge). Both middle reliefs have given up runs a plenty. But the Yankees will have 2-3 MORE innings of middle relief than the Phils.
All I'm gonna say after game 5 is that you better have a 5 run lead going into the 8th or you won't win this game. Can you agree with that?
It would certainly help, and I would definitely feel a lot more comfortable, but it's not absolutely necessary to have a big lead going into the 8th. Just because the Phils' late relief hasn't done well yet in this series doesn't mean they don't have it in them.
How many times do I have to repeat myself, you do not have a closer. A clinching game of the world series is not the time for auditions. The yanks have the advantage of being the home team. Which means more than in any other sport. And we showed in Game 5 that no matter how out of hand a game seems we don't just roll over. I wouldn't be surprised if you guys were to take a lead into the later innings. You're a very good team. But who in the 8th and 9th is gonna shut us down? Your best bet at this point is Scott Eyre who the Yanks have seen very little of.
I know that the Phils don't have a Rivera type closer, but just because their late relief has faltered doesn't necessarily mean they're going to blow another one. Like I said, I'm not going to make any predictions, but I think you're speaking with a bit too much certainty.
If it gets to that situation, I expect Manuel will go with Lidge on a (very) short leash with Myers in the pen behind him.
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Yeah I would grab it too, but just spent my last coin on a wedding deposit, and two tix to CR...No brainer, really.
And besides, I've been banned from the Bronx for the remainder of the season...My boss was only half-joking about me jinxing them at Game 1, but seriously, if we were to lose tonight and he heard i was at the stadium, he would fire my ass...
Screw the wedding, keep costa rica and go to the game. Easy life-altering decision.
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The ONLY relevant material to this discussion...
Pedro has an ERA one and a half runs LOWER than Pettitte this postseason.
Pedro has FIVE days rest and is 38 years old. Pettitte has THREE days rest and is 37 years old. The Phils have a HUGE edge on the starter. Pedro has a lower ERA than Pettitte if both are rested, but ONLY PEDRO IS RESTED. If Pettitte is lucky he can perform well for about 60 pitches - leaving the game in inning 4 or 5. Pedro should go 100+ and make 6-7 innings.
The rest is pretty much a wash until you get to closers (where Rivera is an obvious edge). Both middle reliefs have given up runs a plenty. But the Yankees will have 2-3 MORE innings of middle relief than the Phils.
All I'm gonna say after game 5 is that you better have a 5 run lead going into the 8th or you won't win this game. Can you agree with that?
It would certainly help, and I would definitely feel a lot more comfortable, but it's not absolutely necessary to have a big lead going into the 8th. Just because the Phils' late relief hasn't done well yet in this series doesn't mean they don't have it in them.
How many times do I have to repeat myself, you do not have a closer. A clinching game of the world series is not the time for auditions. The yanks have the advantage of being the home team. Which means more than in any other sport. And we showed in Game 5 that no matter how out of hand a game seems we don't just roll over. I wouldn't be surprised if you guys were to take a lead into the later innings. You're a very good team. But who in the 8th and 9th is gonna shut us down? Your best bet at this point is Scott Eyre who the Yanks have seen very little of.
I know that the Phils don't have a Rivera type closer, but just because their late relief has faltered doesn't necessarily mean they're going to blow another one. Like I said, I'm not going to make any predictions, but I think you're speaking with a bit too much certainty.
If it gets to that situation, I expect Manuel will go with Lidge on a (very) short leash with Myers in the pen behind him.
Of course anything can happen. I lived through 2001, I've seen Mo lose a world series to a bloop single. You guys could simply hit Mariano. As good as he is, he isn't perfect and you've seen a lot of him in the last week. However common wisdom and the laws of probability says the platoon of Madson/Lidge & maybe Myers is more likely to give up late inning runs. Which is something your offense needs to compensate for early in the game. They need to get you guys a good cushion going into the the 8th. Obviously I'd like to be up 6 runs and never have to give the ball to mo at this point...but it's definitely reassuring knowing we have him there.
Here's a scouting report about the starters:
YANKEES: LHP Andy Pettitte
WHAT DOES HE THROW? “Cut-fastball, sinking fastball, change-up, curveball”
BREAKDOWN: “I have to say I’m concerned about short rest with Andy, especially at his age and for a guy who had a shoulder problem near the end of the season. Then again, I was not concerned about it with A.J. and he didn’t get the job done, so there is a big element of unknown there. I think the key for Andy tonight is going to be location – you hear all the time pitchers talk about how they had good stuff but couldn’t locate it, and tonight I think it’s sort of the opposite; Andy may not have has sharpest breaking ball or his velocity, but if he can locate it effectively, he’ll do well. One thing I noticed his last time out was that his delivery was more ’spread out’ than I’d seen it in the past, and from the back camera you could really see his arm drop; he needs to stay on top of it tonight and do his best to keep that mechanic smooth.”
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PHILLIES: RHP Pedro Martinez
WHAT DOES HE THROW? “Fastball, curveball, change-up”
BREAKDOWN: “I’ve heard some people talk about how Pedro had tons of extra rest before his Game 2 start and obviously he only has the regular rest this time, but I don’t think that will be a factor. It looked to me like he was pitching at about 70 % in Game 2 and kept plenty in reserve to dial it up at a few crucial moments during the game. I don’t see why he wouldn’t be effective again if he keeps mixing his pitches – he really had the Yankees off balance and you could see that not having his old velocity didn’t matter. The one thing I noticed that the Yankees may be able to exploit is his ’slurve.’ It’s not really a slider, not really a curve and it’s not a hard breaking pitch, so he’s got to be very careful with it. It’s more of a rolling pitch and it was what Matsui took him deep on. If he misses with that, they can make him pay.”
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EDGE: “In terms of only starting pitching, I’d say I have less concern about Pedro than I do about Andy, but the truth is that I don’t see the starters deciding this game. This is going to be a bullpen game tonight, and from that perspective, you have to like the Yankees pen over the Phillies pen. I think both starters will get the game to the bullpens with the score close, and we’ll see what happens from there.”
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Yeah I would grab it too, but just spent my last coin on a wedding deposit, and two tix to CR...No brainer, really.
And besides, I've been banned from the Bronx for the remainder of the season...My boss was only half-joking about me jinxing them at Game 1, but seriously, if we were to lose tonight and he heard i was at the stadium, he would fire my ass...
Screw the wedding, keep costa rica and go to the game. Easy life-altering decision.
It was a toss up for a while there. And unfortunately, the deposit check JUST cleared this morning...
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