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You can pursue them against the recommendation of said cops and then argue self-defense
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Get this through your thick fuckkking skull. According to Zimmerman, the only eyewitness,
Zimmerman did not pursue Martin after the police dispatcher's recommendation. He turned around
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No he didn't.

Had he turned back and headed for his truck he would have told the dispatcher on the 911 call where the cops could find him when they arrived.
In fact he initially told the dispatcher to have the cops meet him at the mailboxes near the entrance but then he quickly changed his mind and told the dispatcher to have the cops call him when they arrived and he'd tell him where he was in order to meet up with them.

Now why did he do that?

He did that because he DIDN'T KNOW WHERE HE WAS GOING TO BE BECAUSE HE WAS IN PURSUIT!!!!

Simple enough even Squidley can understand it.

Get it??

Had he stayed put he would have told the cops where he was and where to meet him.
He couldn't do that because he was on the move ....NOT back towards his truck but on the move after the kid.

Why??

"These assholes always get away."

Like the time before.

But not this time.

Totally Zimmerman's fault this happened but I think he'll walk on Murder Two.

I also feel sorry for the poor bugger 'cause he knows he did wrong and now he's in quite the jam.

And of course the kid's dead too.

Sad tragedy all around.

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You can pursue them against the recommendation of said cops and then argue self-defense
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Get this through your thick fuckkking skull. According to Zimmerman, the only eyewitness,
Zimmerman did not pursue Martin after the police dispatcher's recommendation. He turned around
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No he didn't.

Had he turned back and headed for his truck he would have told the dispatcher on the 911 call where the cops could find him when they arrived.
In fact he initially told the dispatcher to have the cops meet him at the mailboxes near the entrance but then he quickly changed his mind and told the dispatcher to have the cops call him when they arrived and he'd tell him where he was in order to meet up with them.

Now why did he do that?

He did that because he DIDN'T KNOW WHERE HE WAS GOING TO BE BECAUSE HE WAS IN PURSUIT!!!!

Simple enough even Squidley can understand it.

Get it??

Had he stayed put he would have told the cops where he was and where to meet him.
He couldn't do that because he was on the move ....NOT back towards his truck but on the move after the kid.

Why??

"These assholes always get away."

Like the time before.

But not this time.

Totally Zimmerman's fault this happened but I think he'll walk on Murder Two.

I also feel sorry for the poor bugger 'cause he knows he did wrong and now he's in quite the jam.

And of course the kid's dead too.

Sad tragedy all around.

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Frvcvs challenged me on a point which was proven in a particular part of the conversation
between Zimmerman and the dispatcher. Sequence here is the only thing that matters, and you,
like frvcvs, have the sequence wrong. Zimmerman initially told the police dispatcher where he
would be before following Martin. Nobody is disputing that Zimmerman followed Martin after
that. Later came the dispatcher's question over whether Zimmerman was following Martin, the
dispatcher's advice to stop, and Zimmerman turning around. So Zimmerman would not be where
he initially told the dispatcher. We're all together on that.

After about another minute Zimmerman stopped before approaching his car, and started another
conversation with the dispatcher. Zimmerman started telling the dispatcher some pertinent facts.
I'm not sure whether or not he gave her a new location. What's important is that's when and
where the altercation took place. It's where Martin's body was found.

Unless you can retroactively move Martin's body, the physical evidence corresponds with the
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You two are such HUGE puzzies.

I'll give you an actual example, in which you would have considered me an "aggressor". My wife and I were driving home from a late night dinner. We saw a woman walking, and two late teen to early 20 somethings, running behind her, then diving into bushes and behind cars. It LOOKED like she was being stalked. I pulled into the parking lot, where the guy in the lead was prone, behind a mound, put my high beams on, and got out of my truck. (according to you two, I'm officially now an aggressor). I walked up to his poor hiding spot and said "What's going on? What are you doing?". He was flustered and stammering, which made it a little more suspicious. The woman came walking back, and said that they were her kids, and they were trying to see if they could hide from cars, on the walk back from the store.

Was I aggressive? Should I have called called the cops and just hoped that she got home OK?

There are a million+ factors that we don't know. So, for every GUESS that you have there's a counter GUESS.

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The big difference is you had reason to believe there was a crime in progress with a visible victim. If you didn't see the woman would you have stopped and done the same thing?

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You can pursue them against the recommendation of said cops and then argue self-defense
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Get this through your thick fuckkking skull. According to Zimmerman, the only eyewitness,
Zimmerman did not pursue Martin after the police dispatcher's recommendation. He turned around
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No he didn't.

Had he turned back and headed for his truck he would have told the dispatcher on the 911 call where the cops could find him when they arrived.
In fact he initially told the dispatcher to have the cops meet him at the mailboxes near the entrance but then he quickly changed his mind and told the dispatcher to have the cops call him when they arrived and he'd tell him where he was in order to meet up with them.

Now why did he do that?

He did that because he DIDN'T KNOW WHERE HE WAS GOING TO BE BECAUSE HE WAS IN PURSUIT!!!!

Simple enough even Squidley can understand it.

Get it??

Had he stayed put he would have told the cops where he was and where to meet him.
He couldn't do that because he was on the move ....NOT back towards his truck but on the move after the kid.

Why??

"These assholes always get away."

Like the time before.

But not this time.

Totally Zimmerman's fault this happened but I think he'll walk on Murder Two.

I also feel sorry for the poor bugger 'cause he knows he did wrong and now he's in quite the jam.

And of course the kid's dead too.

Sad tragedy all around.

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Frvcvs challenged me on a point which was proven in a particular part of the conversation
between Zimmerman and the dispatcher. Sequence here is the only thing that matters, and you,
like frvcvs, have the sequence wrong. Zimmerman initially told the police dispatcher where he
would be before following Martin. Nobody is disputing that Zimmerman followed Martin after
that. Later came the dispatcher's question over whether Zimmerman was following Martin, the
dispatcher's advice to stop, and Zimmerman turning around. So Zimmerman would not be where
he initially told the dispatcher. We're all together on that.

After about another minute Zimmerman stopped before approaching his car, and started another
conversation with the dispatcher. Zimmerman started telling the dispatcher some pertinent facts.
I'm not sure whether or not he gave her a new location. What's important is that's when and
where the altercation took place. It's where Martin's body was found.

Unless you can retroactively move Martin's body, the physical evidence corresponds with the
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Did you just pull that out of your recently penetrated a$$hole? You never proved a fvcking thing so don't claim to have.

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Did you just pull that out of your recently penetrated a$$hole? You never proved a
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Did you just pull that out of your recently penetrated a$$hole? You never proved a
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You're way to interested in penetrating assholes. Thanks. No. I'm straight.

I did not provide links because, 1) The primary source is an audio recording .....the same reason
the asshole on your side provided no links, and 2) It's impossible to prove a negative. The idiot
Hump argued simply that, since Zimmerman provided no location where he would meet the cops,
he was planning to attack Martin.

True to form you're still a liar Squidley, I said no such thing. I simply pointed out the absolutely most logical reason why Zimmerman couldn't give a location where the cops could find him was that he didn't know where he was going to be.

Why?

Because he was going to go find this kid (pursue him) and he wasn't sure where the kid was.
I said nothing about Zimmerman planning to attack Martin or anything remotely resembling that. You're simply another little twerp who lies regularly and when confronted with reality resorts to calling people "idiots" and the like.

The sequence in the tape of the 911 call is quite clear and, naturally, differs from your fictional account.

The statement, on its own, is just bullshit.

You're the expert on bullshit but once again you're wrong.
Simply wrong.
Deal with it.

How much more sensationalism can you generate out of your own stupid agenda-driven
misunderstanding of a simple cut-and-dried event?

Unlike ideological idiots like you I have no agenda at all, save getting at the facts. You try to create facts from cow-crap all the time which makes one wonder what's your agenda?
White supremacist?
Bigot?
Simply stupid?
Right wing whackjob?



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White supremacist?
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You're way to interested in penetrating assholes. Thanks. No. I'm straight.

I did not provide links because, 1) The primary source is an audio recording .....the same reason
the asshole on your side provided no links, and 2) It's impossible to prove a negative. The idiot
Hump argued simply that, since Zimmerman provided no location where he would meet the cops,
he was planning to attack Martin.

The statement, on its own, is just bullshit.

How much more sensationalism can you generate out of your own stupid agenda-driven
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The simple fact is that from the information thats been made public we don't know if he actually turned back or not. There's nothing in that call thats suggests whether he did or didn't. And like a lying sack of sh!t who's so eager to prove the black guy wrong you're claiming he turned back as fact. What is fact is that he pursued Martin. He admitted that on the 911 call. You can hear the door open indicator on his car when he opens the door and leaves his vehicle, you can hear him huffing and puffing as he runs (not walks) after Martin and you can hear the wind resistance on the phone. Which is what prompted the Police Officer on the line to ask if he was pursuing Martin which Zimmerman readily admitted. That makes this part of the story fact. What's up for interpretation is what happened after that. Prosecutors will be able to piece together a better timeline using the time stamp on the 911 call along with information like where Zimmerman's car was parked and the distance to the scene of the shooting along with the time stamps on the other 911 calls to determine if it's likely he had time to turn back or not before the altercation and shooting went down. But until that happens you have no basis to say he did. Which I believe makes you the liar.

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The simple fact is that from the information thats been made public we don't know if he
actually turned back or not. There's nothing in that call thats suggests whether he did or didn't.
And like a lying sack of sh!t who's so eager to prove the black guy wrong you're claiming he
turned back as fact. What is fact is that he pursued Martin. He admitted that on the 911 call. You
can hear the door open indicator on his car when he opens the door and leaves his vehicle, you
can hear him huffing and puffing as he runs (not walks) after Martin and you can hear the wind
resistance on the phone. Which is what prompted the Police Officer on the line to ask if he was
pursuing Martin which Zimmerman readily admitted. That makes this part of the story fact.
What's up for interpretation is what happened after that. Prosecutors will be able to piece together
a better timeline using the time stamp on the 911 call along with information like where
Zimmerman's car was parked and the distance to the scene of the shooting along with the time
stamps on the other 911 calls to determine if it's likely he had time to turn back or not before the
altercation and shooting went down. But until that happens you have no basis to say he did.
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The simple fact is that from the information thats been made public we don't know if he
actually turned back or not. There's nothing in that call thats suggests whether he did or didn't.
And like a lying sack of sh!t who's so eager to prove the black guy wrong you're claiming he
turned back as fact. What is fact is that he pursued Martin. He admitted that on the 911 call. You
can hear the door open indicator on his car when he opens the door and leaves his vehicle, you
can hear him huffing and puffing as he runs (not walks) after Martin and you can hear the wind
resistance on the phone. Which is what prompted the Police Officer on the line to ask if he was
pursuing Martin which Zimmerman readily admitted. That makes this part of the story fact.
What's up for interpretation is what happened after that. Prosecutors will be able to piece together
a better timeline using the time stamp on the 911 call along with information like where
Zimmerman's car was parked and the distance to the scene of the shooting along with the time
stamps on the other 911 calls to determine if it's likely he had time to turn back or not before the
altercation and shooting went down. But until that happens you have no basis to say he did.
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Then what you're doing is admitting that you have been lying about when Zimmerman told the
police dispatcher that he was following Martin. All through three massive threads now, you've
been saying that Zimmerman "pursued" Martin after the police dispatcher warned him not to.
You just admitted you were lying, but now we're supposed to believe your NEW story.

.....shuck ....jive ....

After Zimmerman's admission the police dispatcher told Zimmerman "We're not going to need
you to" follow Martin. As I've stated all along, Zimmerman was the only eyewitness to what
happen next. According to his police statement he turned around and proceeded toward his car.

Get this through your thick fuckkking skull. Unless the police and prosecutors produce evidence
which disproves Zimmerman's testimony, then under the law Zimmerman gets the benefit of the
doubt. I'm not saying what Zimmerman did, I'm saying just what the law says. Zimmerman is
assumed innocent until there is "reasonable cause" to find otherwise.

But as other posters have pointed out, even if Zimmerman had disregarded the dispatcher's
advice and kept following Martin, it would mean NOTHING to Martin's guilt or innocense in
this case. Zimmerman had every right to follow Martin. Following is neither a crime nor a deadly
threat. What is BOTH a crime AND a deadly threat is when Martin attacked Zimmerman and
started bashing his brains out.

We would have to assume, because Zimmerman was arrested and charged with murder, that the
prosecutor had evidence which counters Zimmerman's account of these events, but this
prosecutor only filed charges after you race pimps applied political pressure. These charges can
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this has nothing to do with race and you are the one who keeps pulling the race card squid.

this is about suspicion which turned into pursuit which turned into agression which turned into murder.

would have Zimmerman been as suspicious of Martin if Martin would have been another race or even a
multi-racial person like Zimmerman? Only George knows. And only George knows what really happened
and I will agree with those who say the media made this about race

All I know is that I am going to shoot a 17 year old black kid soon because idiots around America have
donated nearly $300,000 to Zimmerman and Zimmerman still got a bail bond . Papa needs a house!

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this has nothing to do with race and you are the one who keeps pulling the race card squid.

this is about suspicion which turned into pursuit which turned into agression which turned into murder.

would have Zimmerman been as suspicious of Martin if Martin would have been another race or even a
multi-racial person like Zimmerman? Only George knows. And only George knows what really happened
and I will agree with those who say the media made this about race

All I know is that I am going to shoot a 17 year old black kid soon because idiots around America have
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So you don't remember the President of the United States appealing for prosecutors to throw
Zimmerman in the slammer because Martin "looked like he could be my son"?

You don't remember the 9-page SurferMag thread?
So if Obama claimed that Trayvon Martin could have been his son

You don't remember the 7-page SurferMag thread which started all of this?
Concealed carry permits protecting Americans from black kids with skittles

.....with charges that Zimmerman "pursued" Martin because he was black?

Three massive threads of you race pimps demanding that Zimmerman be prosecuted because the
man who attacked him was black. And you have yet to bring up one "hole" which amounts to
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You guys all did hear that Zimmerman got arrested and he's going to trial? I think they can handle this without input from the erBB. You can probably all relax a little.

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You know I'd actually respect you more if you were just honest with us and said what we
all know. That you hate black people. You've made it abundantly clear here for years. You
constantly call anyone who disagrees with you a liar when the one consistent lie that comes from
you in every discussion is that you're not a racist and a bigot. The truth is that you're as racist and
religiously elitist as anyone I've ever encountered in my life. Unless of course you're a troll and
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