CharmingSophisticate
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If Black Sea Bass (or whatever your pet species is) are going extinct, why is this NOT Darwin in action even if us malignant tumor humans (ie. homo-sapien animals) are the indisputable the cause of their demise?
This Animal would like to know.
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bloomies
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It's far too simple for you to understand.
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dkennedys11
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Its simple: keeping things balanced means more resources for us.
Think about it...is it not in our best interest, as humans, to keep the ecosystem in balance? Its not a purely altruistic cause...once animals start going extinct it messes up everything. If a fishery becomes depleted we can not longer utilize it.
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CharmingSophisticate
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It's far too simple for you to understand.
For some odd reason you and like minded people cannot explain yourselves on this subject.
A Christian nut-ball will at the very least attempt to explain where they're coming from whereas an Enviro-Weenie just says shite as if it's just true, can't back it up, and is utterly flabbergasted when someone actually calls them out on the $hit that they're spewing.
I could walk into the Vatican Lunchroom at high noon, declare that God doesn't exist and have a more rational discussion about the existence of God than if I were at a Sierra Club meeting and expressed some skepticism about whether or not Sea Bass should be "protected" by Homo Sapiens.
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CharmingSophisticate
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Its simple: keeping things balanced means more resources for us.
Think about it...is it not in our best interest, as humans, to keep the ecosystem in balance? Its not a purely altruistic cause...once animals start going extinct it messes up everything. If a fishery becomes depleted we can not longer utilize it.
Nature is dynamic, there is no such thing as "balance".
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dkennedys11
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Its simple: keeping things balanced means more resources for us.
Think about it...is it not in our best interest, as humans, to keep the ecosystem in balance? Its not a purely altruistic cause...once animals start going extinct it messes up everything. If a fishery becomes depleted we can not longer utilize it.
Nature is dynamic, there is no such thing as "balance".
Ok well fair enough on the "balanced" thing but eliminate that word and the rest remains true. We need certain things from the ecosystem and it is beneficial, therefore, for us to sustain it. No?
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CharmingSophisticate
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Its simple: keeping things balanced means more resources for us.
Think about it...is it not in our best interest, as humans, to keep the ecosystem in balance? Its not a purely altruistic cause...once animals start going extinct it messes up everything. If a fishery becomes depleted we can not longer utilize it.
Nature is dynamic, there is no such thing as "balance".
Ok well fair enough on the "balanced" thing but eliminate that word and the rest remains true. We need certain things from the ecosystem and it is beneficial, therefore, for us to sustain it. No?
So Homo Sapiens need Sea Bass to survive?
The vast majority of Humans not only do not depend on Black Sea Bass for their survival they probably don't even know WTF a Black Sea Bass IS.
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frvcvs
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Why are we so worried about the unborn when we have no desire to take care of the born?
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CharmingSophisticate
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Why are we so worried about the unborn when we have no desire to take care of the born?
Speak for yourself asshole.
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RbrOutlier
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Why are we so worried about the unborn when we have no desire to take care of the born?
Speak for yourself asshole.
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Why Should Certain Animal Species Be "Protected"?
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great question !!
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Malarcus
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I think the real question is why you put "protected" in quotes? Are they not actually being protected?
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neinfore
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Its simple: keeping things balanced means more resources for us.
Think about it...is it not in our best interest, as humans, to keep the ecosystem in balance? Its not a purely altruistic cause...once animals start going extinct it messes up everything. If a fishery becomes depleted we can not longer utilize it.
Nature is dynamic, there is no such thing as "balance".
no, but there is Pi!
3.14etc....
peas,
9'4''
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It's an intriguing question. So...where do we draw the line?
Maybe Sea Bass isn't such a big deal. Let them be over-fished into extinction...who cares?
Polar Bears? Who needs 'em? They only eat seals and scare tourists. Whales...Pssh. Let them die. Can't be that smart if they allow themselves to be harpooned.
Tuna?...Hell, get the nets out, same goes for eagles and owls and snails and squirrels and rhinos and snakes and elephants and hawks and dolphins and tigers and just about every other creature on the planet.
Who needs them? If we can kill them, they must be weak...
Should only the strong be allowed to survive?
Maybe as the top dog of the planet, we should act as caring stewards instead of arrogant butchers. (Not you C.S...I'm sure you're not a butcher  )
It seems to me that it is in our collective benefit to have a planet with a diverse and thriving Eco-system. It makes for a better and more beautiful place to live.
Who knows? Maybe the cure for Gingivitis lives in the liver of the Sea Bass.
And besides...Sea Bass tacos are tasty. A managed fishery means I can grind them for another decade, providing my teeth don't fall out first.
Just my opinion.
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Malarcus
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Also, too? While your question may indeed be a valid argument, this:
"Nature is dynamic, there is no such thing as 'balance'."
is dynamically ignorant. And from a surfer, no less. 
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Edited by Malarcus (06/02/12 03:47 AM)
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royallen
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Equilibrium is reached and maintained until a trigger event. Chaos ensues, followed by a new equilibrium.
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neinfore
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personally, i'm fully behind that chaos theory thing.
so, you know.
what does anything really matter when there is no meaning to anything anyways, right?
peas,
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royallen
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Chaos does not negate meaning. Chaos is not random.
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If Black Sea Bass (or whatever your pet species is) are going extinct, why is this NOT Darwin in action even if us malignant tumor humans (ie. homo-sapien animals) are the indisputable the cause of their demise?
This Animal would like to know.
Because as sapient animals, we have a choice.
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Malarcus
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personally, i'm fully behind that chaos theory thing.
so, you know.
what does anything really matter when there is no meaning to anything anyways, right?
peas,
9'4''
No, Donny, these men are nihilists...
There's nothing to be afraid of.
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Don't you ever get tired of trolling this forum with questions like that?
We've done this before, you didn't get it then and you won't get it now. Go away.
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It's far too simple for you to understand.
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SharkBoy
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I'll bite.
Maybe we should see things as healthy or not healthy instead of right or wrong. Right or wrong are human concepts anyways and don't always seem to jive with natures 'cruel indifference'
If we think of our planet and the animals as a system that needs to be healthy, then wouldn't the healthier decision be to take care of it?
Or would you rather eat junk food, smoke, get fat and just call the diseases growing in you as just part of nature. 
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Steak
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Here's something along this line to ponder.
Around these parts we have a protected little seabird, the
Snowy Plover.
The State of California in it's infinite wisdom ropes off
large stretches of public beach which are off limits to the
public to keep people from stepping on Snowy Plovers or
their eggs.
These same areas are also chock full of feral cats who have
taken up residence on the nearby bluffs in the brush. You go
down to the beach and see tufts of Snowy Plover feathers
blowing across the sand and large feral cats but you never
see any Snowy Plovers.
There are no feral cat traps being put out so they must
obviously not be considered a threat by our supremely
intelligent eco overlords.
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CharmingSophisticate
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Here's something along this line to ponder.
Around these parts we have a protected little seabird, the
Snowy Plover.
The State of California in it's infinite wisdom ropes off
large stretches of public beach which are off limits to the
public to keep people from stepping on Snowy Plovers or
their eggs.
These same areas are also chock full of feral cats who have
taken up residence on the nearby bluffs in the brush. You go
down to the beach and see tufts of Snowy Plover feathers
blowing across the sand and large feral cats but you never
see any Snowy Plovers.
There are no feral cat traps being put out so they must
obviously not be considered a threat by our supremely intelligent eco overlords.
Environmentalism is just a religion for the Godless.
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CharmingSophisticate
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It's an intriguing question. So...where do we draw the line?
My question is more to the WHY do we draw the line issue.
As usual, the only thing I get from brain dead drone "liberals" (not directed at you btw)when I pose this question is idiocy like this:
"We've done this before, you didn't get it then and you won't get it now"
Or this:
"It's far too simple for you to understand"
Neither of these 2 numbskulls can articulate their position yet both seem to think that they're operating on some higher plane.
A fundamentalist Christian will at least be honest and tell you why he believes what he believes, Orthodox Environmentalists don't even know WHY they believe what they believe.....other than that acting superior makes them feel really good about themselves.
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Autoprax
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Are you really worried that humans are being overly conservative when it comes to resources?
You see that as a problem?
The conservation movement is just an attempt to apply the brakes but rest assured the brakes will fail and team exploitation will have its way.
Have you ever throughout of moving to China?
They aint saving no basses.
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CharmingSophisticate
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Are you really worried that humans are being overly conservative when it comes to resources?
What makes Black Sea Bass a "resource"?
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RbrOutlier
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should lion and elephants be hunted to extinction ??
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CharmingSophisticate
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should lion and elephants be hunted to extinction ??
Are you going to go hungry if sea lions and elephants disappear?
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bloomies
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It's far too simple for you to understand.
For some odd reason you and like minded people cannot explain yourselves on this subject.
A Christian nut-ball will at the very least attempt to explain where they're coming from whereas an Enviro-Weenie just says shite as if it's just true, can't back it up, and is utterly flabbergasted when someone actually calls them out on the $hit that they're spewing.
I could walk into the Vatican Lunchroom at high noon, declare that God doesn't exist and have a more rational discussion about the existence of God than if I were at a Sierra Club meeting and expressed some skepticism about whether or not Sea Bass should be "protected" by Homo Sapiens.
You retarded khunt..... far from being a "greenie-weenie", I'm a fisherman first and foremost. I like to eat what I catch. I serve on a board of commercial and recreational fishermen, we are dedicated to keeping people fishing at both levels. It's called "management" and "stewardship". No one who can think logically wants to be the person who catches the last fish of any species.
The quotes are for your "understanding" or lack thereof. It is telling that you bring religion into this discussion of yours. One of the great minds (obviously) that believes at some base level that god will restore the bounty if it's required..... 
Enjoy your Safeway/Von's supplied tilapia sandwich later today. 
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CharmingSophisticate
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It's called "management" and "stewardship". No one who can think logically wants to be the person who catches the last fish of any species.
So it just boils down to you not wanting to eat the very last Jalapeno Popper at the fishermans happy hour and you dress up this act with words like "stewardship" and "management" in order to make you feel good about yourself?
Which branch of Mother Nature elected you "manager" btw?
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Autoprax
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So you think it should just be anything goes?
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squidley
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We have a duty not to extinct species just for the hell of it.
We have a duty to provide for ourselves and our loved ones.
We have a duty to protect ourselves and our loved ones from species which try to harm and kill us.
This duty includes driving species which try to harm and kill us to extinction.
We have a duty to mitigate the collateral damage done to innocent bystander species while protecting
and providing for ourselves. Compromise is the key. Militant tree huggers are unwilling to compromise,
because they value lower life forms more than humans.
We owe it to ourselves to manage the population of species which we kill and use for our benefit
....such as black sea bass. If they go extinct, the problem is not limited to their loss.
It is our loss.
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Edited by squidley (06/02/12 08:57 AM)
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CharmingSophisticate
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So you think it should just be anything goes?
No- I like to be surrounded by pretty animals too.
No one will go hungry if Black Sea Bass become extinct and the ecosystem won't collapse, it'll just change the way your aquarium looks.
It's a pretty fish.
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bloomies
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When Squidley points out your idiocy....that ought to be enough.
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frvcvs
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We have a duty to protect ourselves and our loved ones from species which try to harm and kill us.
This duty includes driving species which try to harm and kill us to extinction.
Really?
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RbrOutlier
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should lion and elephants be hunted to extinction ??
Are you going to go hungry if sea lions and elephants disappear?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_hunting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_hunting_in_Kenya
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If Black Sea Bass (or whatever your pet species is) are going extinct, why is this NOT Darwin in action even if us malignant tumor humans (ie. homo-sapien animals) are the indisputable the cause of their demise?
This Animal would like to know.
Didn't you just answer your own question? If we are the cause, then it's nothing to do with natural selection. It's just murder.
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SlicedFeet
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If Black Sea Bass (or whatever your pet species is) are going extinct, why is this NOT Darwin in action even if us malignant tumor humans (ie. homo-sapien animals) are the indisputable the cause of their demise?
This Animal would like to know.
It is survival of the fittest - Darwinisns. We are part of the environment thus they need to adapt or perish. That's part of the the tenants of Evolution.
Humans though have another characteristic which we act upon. We see Apathy. In the majority of us, a dopamine effect is produced when we fight against it. We get this nice cuddly, feel good, euphoria and that's why want to support all current species and see that we are good care takers.
See...God knew drugs were good and built some inside us.
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