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I dig your work Roy, but I think ANYONE, including the worlds top "longboarders" would have a rough first surf on a 13', heavily rockered board..... I know I would.
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Quote: I dig your work Roy, but I think ANYONE, including the worlds top "longboarders" would have a rough first surf on a 13', heavily rockered board..... I know I would.
I agree 100%, but in that case they should stfu until they dial it in.
The fact that he didn't do this makes him an untrustworthy kook in my book.
Anyway, here's the kooky evidence, minus the blowhard yakking, actually the couple of waves he made were nearly as bad.
Quote: This is the first video I have seen of someone besides Roy riding a Roy Stuart board.
I just figured no one could afford them so nobody but Roy gets to ride.
Please post up some video of different riders on your boards Roy, they are undoubtedly beautiful masterpieces, just interested in their functionality.
Here are a couple of riders from Dunedin on the 13 footer, not exactly dialled in but getting there and enjoying themselves. <iframe width="480" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/fWUwZk8e22E" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Filmed at night without the aid of lighting? All I see is a black box.
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Quote: I dig your work Roy, but I think ANYONE, including the worlds top "longboarders" would have a rough first surf on a 13', heavily rockered board..... I know I would.
x3.14159265etc but it would be fair of Roy as a surfboard craftsman to say sort of the the same about every other design he deems inferior to his designs (fish, bonzers, thruster, lb's etc).
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By the way, as I've been saying for a long time the rocker on that 13 footer is only moderate.
The 13-9 Dragon board, an earlier design, with slightly less rocker has 7 inches of rocker but this is less than two inches over nine feet. The 13 footer has from memory about 2.5 inches over 9 feet.
Both boards appear to have lots of rocker but it is really an illusion. Rarick's problem was the riding position and not enough time on the board.
Quote: This is the first video I have seen of someone besides Roy riding a Roy Stuart board.
I just figured no one could afford them so nobody but Roy gets to ride.
Please post up some video of different riders on your boards Roy, they are undoubtedly beautiful masterpieces, just interested in their functionality.
Here are a couple of riders from Dunedin on the 13 footer, not exactly dialled in but getting there and enjoying themselves. <iframe width="480" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/fWUwZk8e22E" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Isnt this from 4 or 5 years ago even before the board went to hawaii? Havent you got anything more recent,surely you must have something of the local surfers at your home break? Or anything more recent ? Arent any of the locals at your home break riding your boards?
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Quote: I dig your work Roy, but I think ANYONE, including the worlds top "longboarders" would have a rough first surf on a 13', heavily rockered board..... I know I would.
x3.14159265etc but it would be fair of Roy as a surfboard craftsman to say sort of the the same about every other design he deems inferior to his designs (fish, bonzers, thruster, lb's etc).
I said as much above, and although it might appear that way I don't necessarily think that the designs above are inferior. I think that standard longboards are a poor type but shortboards are pretty well advanced these days.
Quote: This is the first video I have seen of someone besides Roy riding a Roy Stuart board.
I just figured no one could afford them so nobody but Roy gets to ride.
Please post up some video of different riders on your boards Roy, they are undoubtedly beautiful masterpieces, just interested in their functionality.
Here are a couple of riders from Dunedin on the 13 footer, not exactly dialled in but getting there and enjoying themselves. <iframe width="480" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/fWUwZk8e22E" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Isnt this from 4 or 5 years ago even before the board went to hawaii? Havent you got anything more recent,surely you must have something of the local surfers at your home break? Or anything more recent ? Arent any of the locals at your home break riding your boards?
Yes it's from before the board went to Hawaii.
I don't have any more footage of surfers other than myself on my boards nor as far as I know are any surfers at my home break riding them.
I have a bunch of ride reports though, and a few pictures.
Cheers Tenover, if can get the board moved to your place and would like to do so then please let me know and I can put you in touch with the gentleman who has it currently.
Quote: Cheers Tenover, if can get the board moved to your place and would like to do so then please let me know and I can put you in touch with the gentleman who has it currently.
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LOL - like a virus that won't go away, the Dragon Canoe continues to keep on providing mirthful entertainment to all.
The Royster and his canoe is analogous to the guy up the street with the tin foil hat building a spiffed up Model T replica in his garage , driving around town in it with his ear flap leather helmet and goggles on, seriously explaining to his wide eyed passenger why his New Model T is so much better then all the Porches and BMW's flying around him as he drives at 35 mph in the slow lane, insisting the whole time he is actually going 100 mph.
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Quote: ... but the extreme rocker didn't fit in the curve of the wave and just seemed to slow it down ...
I've only been surfing for 50 years but I can see how that might be a problem...
A stupid statement from Rarick. The rocker isn't extreme as explained above.
If you look at the video you'll see that it was randy who caused the problem by not surfing the board correctly. For a start he's way back on the tail, I told him not to do that it's a displacement tail one is supposed to ride from the middle.
Quote: The surfer who has the board now on the North Shore said that the board is a Rolls Royce and that bonzers are like Volkswagens.
And yet Malcolm and Duncan don't even know you exist.
Actually they do.
Duncan rode the board a couple of years ago and he also sent me a picture of a pre bonzer fin setup which the brothers designed, he thought that I might find it interesting ( I did) and asked me not to publish the picture (I haven't).
Quote: LOL - like a virus that won't go away, the Dragon Canoe continues to keep on providing mirthful entertainment to all.
The Royster and his canoe is analogous to the guy up the street with the tin foil hat building a spiffed up Model T replica in his garage , driving around town in it with his ear flap leather helmet and goggles on, seriously explaining to his wide eyed passenger why his New Model T is so much better then all the Porches and BMW's flying around him as he drives at 35 mph in the slow lane, insisting the whole time he is actually going 100 mph.
Hilarious.
This thread is about the Ghost 13 not the Dragon 13-9 however.
Quote: LOL - like a virus that won't go away, the Dragon Canoe continues to keep on providing mirthful entertainment to all.
The Royster and his canoe is analogous to the guy up the street with the tin foil hat building a spiffed up Model T replica in his garage , driving around town in it with his ear flap leather helmet and goggles on, seriously explaining to his wide eyed passenger why his New Model T is so much better then all the Porches and BMW's flying around him as he drives at 35 mph in the slow lane, insisting the whole time he is actually going 100 mph.
Hilarious.
This thread is about the Ghost 13 not the Dragon 13-9 however.
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Is it true that you are sponsoring Jill Hansen to ride your longboards? You are doing a woman's model of the Ghost, slightly smaller?
Quote: ... but the extreme rocker didn't fit in the curve of the wave and just seemed to slow it down ...
I've only been surfing for 50 years but I can see how that might be a problem...
A stupid statement from Rarick. The rocker isn't extreme as explained above.
If you look at the video you'll see that it was randy who caused the problem by not surfing the board correctly. For a start he's way back on the tail, I told him not to do that it's a displacement tail one is supposed to ride from the middle.
I don't think it's a stupid statement, on the contrary. It's his observation, just because you don't agree with his observation doesn't make it stupid. Maybe you should mark the sweet spot by adding some foot wells or something?
With respect to
Quote: I told him not to do that
that says a bunch. Again, and this is just my opinion after having surfed for 50 years, if a surfboard designer has to tell you in which exact 12" of space you need to stand on a surfboard that is 13 fvcking feet long or it won't work, it's a picnic table. A well crafted picnic table, but a picnic table none the less.
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This photo of me is old hat by now, but I rode the 13 footer over a period of two weeks in mostly cruddy surf (sure, fly across an ocean, land in NZ and more or less get skunked...a familiar story in my life )
Like any completely new and different board, there is a learning curve. I eventually figured it out, somewhat, though I would not claim any great skill riding it.
Like with pretty much every board I have ever ridden, I think it would be fun to try on a headhigh, reeling point break.
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Quote: I dig your work Roy, but I think ANYONE, including the worlds top "longboarders" would have a rough first surf on a 13', heavily rockered board..... I know I would.
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Quote: ... but the extreme rocker didn't fit in the curve of the wave and just seemed to slow it down ...
I've only been surfing for 50 years but I can see how that might be a problem...
A stupid statement from Rarick. The rocker isn't extreme as explained above.
If you look at the video you'll see that it was randy who caused the problem by not surfing the board correctly. For a start he's way back on the tail, I told him not to do that it's a displacement tail one is supposed to ride from the middle.
I don't think it's a stupid statement, on the contrary.
Actually it's not a matter of opinion it is a matter of fact. The rocker is not extreme, as explained previously.
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Quote: I told him not to do that
that says a bunch. Again, and this is just my opinion after having surfed for 50 years, if a surfboard designer has to tell you in which exact 12" of space you need to stand on a surfboard that is 13 fvcking feet long or it won't work, it's a picnic table. A well crafted picnic table, but a picnic table none the less.
It has a central riding position, and shouldn't be ridden from way back on the tail. I explained this to Rarick and he didn't listen.
Quote: LOL - like a virus that won't go away, the Dragon Canoe continues to keep on providing mirthful entertainment to all.
The Royster and his canoe is analogous to the guy up the street with the tin foil hat building a spiffed up Model T replica in his garage , driving around town in it with his ear flap leather helmet and goggles on, seriously explaining to his wide eyed passenger why his New Model T is so much better then all the Porches and BMW's flying around him as he drives at 35 mph in the slow lane, insisting the whole time he is actually going 100 mph.
Hilarious.
This thread is about the Ghost 13 not the Dragon 13-9 however.
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Is it true that you are sponsoring Jill Hansen to ride your longboards? You are doing a woman's model of the Ghost, slightly smaller?
What size of ghost would you recommend for riders that weigh around 100 lbs?
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Once again it took about an hour to get in the water because I found myself talking to lots of the guys in the carpark and on the way down to the water’s edge about the board, it’s construction and the story behind the journey. One of the more telling comments was from a guy whom I see in the water a bit and I know he’s a competent surfer who says ‘that would be more suited to a smaller day wouldn’t it’, yea thanks buddy… just what I was needing to hear.
Gordon at Piha
The other comment from an older guy who looked me in the eye and said ‘you’re going to get smashed out there’ didn’t help much either. Funnily enough I overheard his son/younger friend ask him if it was too big for him and his comment was ‘NO! Its just not lined up properly’ (not lined up properly my ass) I mentioned a vague sense of nervousness in my first story about riding this board, well today it was back except it wasn’t vague at all – it was actually quite tangible.
Remembering Roy’s tip about cooling the board in the shorebreak before tightening the vent I sucked a deep breath and paddled out. It wasn’t too difficult, there’s quite a helpful little rip by the river and before too long I was out the back, a long way out the back.
So I find myself sitting out the back and I’m watching these quite nice inside waves breaking and there has been a bit of a lull so I’m thinking I should probably paddle back in a bit and pick one or two off, I’m about to do so when I glance back out to sea to see the eminent shadow of an approaching ‘plus set’ I almost throw my hip out of joint in my urgency to spin the olo around again so I can scurry over the lip of the first wave just in time before it breaks right on top of me, 3 more waves pass by and I decide that I definitely not going to go in a bit and pick of the nice inside waves. I haven’t got a death wish. There was a pretty good gap between the larger sets so I had plenty of time to get myself into what I thought was a good takeoff spot and to do some of that other stuff that you sometimes find yourself doing when you’re by yourself and feeling unsure as to whether it was such a good idea or not, like praying that the experience doesn’t kill you. Its kinda funny because usually I’d have been frothing on the waves because I’d be happily riding a shortboard and thinking twice about the sets, even riding my 9 footer would have felt quite comfortable but the uncertainty of what was too come had me as nervous as hell. A set was coming, what should I do? Paddle for the horizon again or pick up my balls and go for it…. paddle for the horizon was looking like a good option but I wouldn’t have been able to live it down if I didn’t go so I paddled like I meant it and as smooth as silk I was up and riding. The board slipped into the wave really nicely and there was no question of it nosediving, It felt like I was flying but I’ve got no idea if I was or not. The board was vibrating slightly under my feet as I raced around the first section and onto the open face where I was able to hold my line for a short time before the wave closed out in front of me before reforming and giving me quite a playful little face to ride in to the shore. I was laughing, more with relief than anything else… I was alive… I had so much adrenalin pumping through my body that I was shaking and I was stoked. I sat there on the inside for almost five minutes chuckling away to myself with a stupid grin on my face before turning the nose back to sea and paddling out for some more. Once you’ve done it once it’s not so intense and it’s easier to get a few under your belt so some time passes, a couple of waves are caught and I’m feeling more comfortable and starting to think I’d better head in and get on with the rest of my working day and I’m thinking I should paddle a bit deeper and pick off one of the Bombs when it comes through, so I did. Now I’m not one to call the size of a wave by the size of the drop and it was probably only a 5’ wave but as I was dropping down the face I swear I wasn’t at the bottom of the wave and this 13 foot long olo board was stretched out full length on the face with plenty of room to spare at either end. I know this because the board did a strange thing- as I was paddling for the wave I wasn’t quite straight and I took the wave at just enough of an angle that it meant that the inside rail was quite keen to start the turning process as I was ½ way down the face. There was nothing I could do, the board turned itself giving me a grandstand view of the wave I’d taken off on and then proceeded to lock itself into position for the barrel. The board did it- I was just along for the ride, there’s something about the curve of the rocker and the rail and the fin and the tail and whatever else contributed to it but the board sliced into that face like a carving knife in a Christmas turkey. I’d had my doubts about it as a barrel riding board and had begun to think that it might be more suited to a wave like Waimea or Makaha Point (it was originally shaped for Hawaii after all) than Pipeline but now I’ve got to wonder whether in the right hands it just might tuck itself quite nicely in there as well. I’m really looking forward to that part of the journey. I paddled in after that.
On my way home I stopped briefly at ‘freeride’ in Henderson and reluctantly dropped the board off to Jabes who is pretty keen to get it in the water and give it a good go. I hope he has as much fun with it as I’ve had and I can’t wait to see his shots and hear his stories. I’d be quite keen to hook up with him if he gets a chance to take it out in solid stuff again while he’s got it (just remember Jabes, close the vent before entering the water and open it when you exit the water). The torch has been passed again.
Thanks Roy for being a good sport, thanks for lending me your creation and letting me take it out for a spin. I’ve had a great time with it, I’m stoked to have been a part of the journey. This board rides and turns differently from any other board I’ve owned so you have to surf differently when you’re on it- its kinda like grass roots surfing, just waveriding like they used to do in the early days and it won’t appeal to everybody but I think there’s a pretty good chance that you’re onto something with your design, I’m sure the others who get to share in this Hikoi will come away feeling like they’ve been part of something special as well.
Quote: Actually it's not a matter of opinion it is a matter of fact. The rocker is not extreme, as explained previously.
And I don't agree with your previous explanation. It isn't always a matter of "how much" rocker, but how and where the rocker is distributed. Especially over length. I've been known to ride surfboards that are considered "gliders", I understand the concept.
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... and yet you and Rarick were the ones complaining about how much rocker the board has.
The rocker is a circular arc with a slightly elliptical nose section, it works very well indeed and is not extreme at all, Rarick is simply wrong.
I've been using circular arc rockers for the past 19 years they are brilliant and have now been adopted by Stretch.
Rarick wanted to shut the board tour event down, and succeeded in doing so. Prior to his intervention we had reports here on the bb that the word amongst the locals was that the board is a hot item, and people were lining up to ride it. Rarick couldn't handle that....
You should get your pal Alex Jones to debate Randy Rarick. The venue will be the New Zealand active volcano of your choice with the loser taking the lava walk of shame.
debating tip: constantly restating your opinion as fact only works on the feeble minded.
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Constantly discounting facts on the basis that they are only opinions is a tactic of the weak minded.
The rocker can be measured and compared with other boards, this shows that it is moderate not extreme.. . a fact not an opinion, bu carry on defending your retarded poster boy Rarick, and his hopeless surfing by all means.
Quote: Again, send that board to San Diego. I'd love to try it. And I'll store it(securely) until you want to send it somewhere else.
we tried this once - didn't pan out. i don't think he wants it to be ridden even though we'd like to ride it.
I was happy for you fellows to ride the board, and still am, as I recall there was a donation thing set up by someone but it fizzled.
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your "guy" responded to my inquiry shortly after we started with a semi-urgent "i'm leaving the country" indefinitely message requesting that we faciliate the transfer of the board within days, which was, of course, entirely not possible.
you send the board - we'll surf it. i don't think you'll send it but i welcome you to prove me wrong.
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I thought Roy's terms were quite clear from the outset. He fronted the board to share it with everyone on condition that we exercise a little group responsibility for it's keeping and distribution. As we speak someone in HI is already storing the board and looking after its well being at their own expense.
I don't know what it would cost to get it safely shipped to the U.S. but if 10 potential riders each put up $30 we could probably get pretty close to getting it done. Someone said earlier that whoever picked the board up in HI had to pay customs duties on it - we won't have to do that.
Long story short, we can put our money where our mouth is or we can just sit back and wonder how it rides all we want. I don't think it's fair to try to renegotiate the deal with Roy after the fact.
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Quote: Long story short, we can put our money where our mouth is or we can just sit back and wonder how it rides all we want.
I don't think there's any need to wonder how it rides. All evidence provided over a few years via photos and video clearly indicate that it rides worse than a typical 11' SUP. IOW, it sucks if you want to actually turn and get the most out of a wave.
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By the way... Someone suggested a Roy vs Rarick debate similar to the Morgan vs Jones thing. I think that's a good analogy. One is a completely delusional wacko (Roy, Jones) and the other is someone I'd never trust or respect (Morgan, Rarick)
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Quote: Long story short, we can put our money where our mouth is or we can just sit back and wonder how it rides all we want.
I don't think there's any need to wonder how it rides. All evidence provided over a few years via photos and video clearly indicate that it rides worse than a typical 11' SUP. IOW, it sucks if you want to actually turn and get the most out of a wave.
if you want to actually turn and get the most out of a wave.
I think it's fair to say that there are a fair number of surfers who have no interest in either turning or getting the most out of a wave. To this day Bob Simmons is celebrated by some for developing a design that was intended to go even straighter than was typical for its time.
The thing with Roy is this. He obviously puts a lot of love and time into his boards and he obviously enjoys riding them. Those factors alone are nothing but respectable. No matter how much you may disagree with his designs. But then he opens his mouth online in forums and starts making outrageous claims to go along with the outrageous prices of his boards and makes a kook of himself. If it wasn't for this he'd be a surfer marching to the beat of his own drum riding self-made boards of his liking. It's really too bad he found the internet.
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Quote: The thing with Roy is this. He obviously puts a lot of love and time into his boards and he obviously enjoys riding them. Those factors alone are nothing but respectable. No matter how much you may disagree with his designs. But then he opens his mouth online in forums and starts making outrageous claims to go along with the outrageous prices of his boards and makes a kook of himself. If it wasn't for this he'd be a surfer marching to the beat of his own drum riding self-made boards of his liking. It's really too bad he found the internet.
So, are you saying Roy's limited interpersonal technique is Al Gore's fault?
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Quote: I think it's fair to say that there are a fair number of surfers who have no interest in either turning or getting the most out of a wave.
I know a few people like that. They have owned a surfboard for years, but never learned how to surf.
This is pretty much unrelated, but I have a friend who was a very high level surfer that made a conscious effort to minimize his turning at one point. It was spurred by sitting on some nameless perfect reef pass in the south pacific by himself with a few hundred hits of acid.
After a few months of surfing perfect waves by himself, he came to the realization that surfing is very much a "look at me" activity for most of us. So his surfing changed. The only turns left were a setup bottom turn and a big round high speed cutback. Everything in between was subtle adjustment as he sought speed without effort and hunted for tubes.
I have no idea where he's at now. Probably dead.
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groupthink ? any board you have to crouch down on to make a section is pretty kooky. photos and videos dont lie.
You don't get it do you? Roy perfected his stance in a wind tunnel. You can't always count on the spit giving you that extra boost to reach maximum speed.
If you'd been following the tales of Roy you'd know that his designs are all about maximum speed.
Hey Roy, how fast do those sumbitches go again?
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Quote: The thing with Roy is this. He obviously puts a lot of love and time into his boards and he obviously enjoys riding them. Those factors alone are nothing but respectable. No matter how much you may disagree with his designs. But then he opens his mouth online in forums and starts making outrageous claims to go along with the outrageous prices of his boards and makes a kook of himself. If it wasn't for this he'd be a surfer marching to the beat of his own drum riding self-made boards of his liking. It's really too bad he found the internet.
So, are you saying Roy's limited interpersonal technique is Al Gore's fault?
Masterful segue to a wholly unrelated tangent.
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I don't remember exactly how long ago this board hit HI. The board's current caretaker has had unrestricted access to this board for probably the last couple years. In the vast scheme of things the opportunity to "rent" a surfboard of any type for almost as long as you like has to be well worth $30, easy.
Now all you need is for someone to take a little initiative and to lead from the front.
Quote: I don't remember exactly how long ago this board hit HI. The board's current caretaker has had unrestricted access to this board for probably the last couple years. In the vast scheme of things the opportunity to "rent" a surfboard of any type for almost as long as you like has to be well worth $30, easy.
Now all you need is for someone to take a little initiative and to lead from the front.
You seem like a responsible person with excellent organizational skills, I nominate you.
Second?
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I don't even know how to ride a longboard properly, yet. I have no interest in learning how to ride something like this. I don't have room for a 12ft board, either.
I would be interested in seeing how this board works in local conditions under the feet of someone who could handle the length.
I thought Roy's terms were quite clear from the outset. He fronted the board to share it with everyone on condition that we exercise a little group responsibility for it's keeping and distribution. As we speak someone in HI is already storing the board and looking after its well being at their own expense.
I don't know what it would cost to get it safely shipped to the U.S. but if 10 potential riders each put up $30 we could probably get pretty close to getting it done. Someone said earlier that whoever picked the board up in HI had to pay customs duties on it - we won't have to do that.
Long story short, we can put our money where our mouth is or we can just sit back and wonder how it rides all we want. I don't think it's fair to try to renegotiate the deal with Roy after the fact.
we tried this. a paypal account was established. retodd and a few others contributed and lost money.
with the benefit of hindsight i don't believe he wants the board to be ridden by us but i'd love to be proven wrong . . . and i have no problem chipping in $50 to get the ball rolling but i really think we're dealing with an illusory situation.
I thought Roy's terms were quite clear from the outset. He fronted the board to share it with everyone on condition that we exercise a little group responsibility for it's keeping and distribution. As we speak someone in HI is already storing the board and looking after its well being at their own expense.
I don't know what it would cost to get it safely shipped to the U.S. but if 10 potential riders each put up $30 we could probably get pretty close to getting it done. Someone said earlier that whoever picked the board up in HI had to pay customs duties on it - we won't have to do that.
Long story short, we can put our money where our mouth is or we can just sit back and wonder how it rides all we want. I don't think it's fair to try to renegotiate the deal with Roy after the fact.
we tried this. a paypal account was established. retodd and a few others contributed and lost money.
with the benefit of hindsight i don't believe he wants the board to be ridden by us but i'd love to be proven wrong . . . and i have no problem chipping in $50 to get the ball rolling but i really think we're dealing with an illusory situation.
I believe Subway is the man to get this rolling.
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Yeah, I remember that attempt a while back. I don't know why it didn't come together. Maybe there wasn't enough interest? I wonder if maybe that money is still sitting in an account and is still available for its intended purpose?
I don't remember seeing anything about Roy preventing it, though. He was concerned about rumors he supposedly heard about people threatening to destroy it. He doesn't even have possession of the board at this point.
I thought Roy's terms were quite clear from the outset. He fronted the board to share it with everyone on condition that we exercise a little group responsibility for it's keeping and distribution. As we speak someone in HI is already storing the board and looking after its well being at their own expense.
I don't know what it would cost to get it safely shipped to the U.S. but if 10 potential riders each put up $30 we could probably get pretty close to getting it done. Someone said earlier that whoever picked the board up in HI had to pay customs duties on it - we won't have to do that.
Long story short, we can put our money where our mouth is or we can just sit back and wonder how it rides all we want. I don't think it's fair to try to renegotiate the deal with Roy after the fact.
we tried this. a paypal account was established. retodd and a few others contributed and lost money.
with the benefit of hindsight i don't believe he wants the board to be ridden by us but i'd love to be proven wrong . . . and i have no problem chipping in $50 to get the ball rolling but i really think we're dealing with an illusory situation.
That's exactly why we need a responsible and organized person like GDaddy. He doesn't have to ride the thing, just effect it's deliverance.
Or (and I can't believe some enterprising surfer hasn't thought of this) fill it full of "something" from Hawaii that is more valuable in California. There must be something?
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I thought Roy's terms were quite clear from the outset. He fronted the board to share it with everyone on condition that we exercise a little group responsibility for it's keeping and distribution. As we speak someone in HI is already storing the board and looking after its well being at their own expense.
I don't know what it would cost to get it safely shipped to the U.S. but if 10 potential riders each put up $30 we could probably get pretty close to getting it done. Someone said earlier that whoever picked the board up in HI had to pay customs duties on it - we won't have to do that.
Long story short, we can put our money where our mouth is or we can just sit back and wonder how it rides all we want. I don't think it's fair to try to renegotiate the deal with Roy after the fact.
we tried this. a paypal account was established. retodd and a few others contributed and lost money.
with the benefit of hindsight i don't believe he wants the board to be ridden by us but i'd love to be proven wrong . . . and i have no problem chipping in $50 to get the ball rolling but i really think we're dealing with an illusory situation.
That's exactly why we need a responsible and organized person like GDaddy. He doesn't have to ride the thing, just effect it's deliverance.
Or (and I can't believe some enterprising surfer hasn't thought of this) fill it full of "something" from Hawaii that is more valuable in California. There must be something?
Macadamia nuts?
I see what you're doing here, too. You're trying to set me up in the library program, and forcing me to associate with disreputable surfer types from all over the region. Faka
Wow guy who starts the Triple Crown, former IPS surfer, a pillar in surfing, and his opinion serves no merit, hes a kook... well he did stufff 2-3 guys, but he got more barreled out there then Roy probably ever has. Looked like he actually turned it. Id be upset to if my hydrodynamic theory were shvt on by a guy like Rarick.
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Atleast its verified its drops in good on people, and that it can be surfed by someone who actually stands on a board like they are surfing and not mono skiing. Phewww. redemption has been found
I thought Roy's terms were quite clear from the outset. He fronted the board to share it with everyone on condition that we exercise a little group responsibility for it's keeping and distribution. As we speak someone in HI is already storing the board and looking after its well being at their own expense.
I don't know what it would cost to get it safely shipped to the U.S. but if 10 potential riders each put up $30 we could probably get pretty close to getting it done. Someone said earlier that whoever picked the board up in HI had to pay customs duties on it - we won't have to do that.
Long story short, we can put our money where our mouth is or we can just sit back and wonder how it rides all we want. I don't think it's fair to try to renegotiate the deal with Roy after the fact.
we tried this. a paypal account was established. retodd and a few others contributed and lost money.
with the benefit of hindsight i don't believe he wants the board to be ridden by us but i'd love to be proven wrong . . . and i have no problem chipping in $50 to get the ball rolling but i really think we're dealing with an illusory situation.
That's exactly why we need a responsible and organized person like GDaddy. He doesn't have to ride the thing, just effect it's deliverance.
Or (and I can't believe some enterprising surfer hasn't thought of this) fill it full of "something" from Hawaii that is more valuable in California. There must be something?
Macadamia nuts?
I see what you're doing here, too. You're trying to set me up in the library program, and forcing me to associate with disreputable surfer types from all over the region. Faka
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Quote: The thing with Roy is this. He obviously puts a lot of love and time into his boards and he obviously enjoys riding them. Those factors alone are nothing but respectable. No matter how much you may disagree with his designs. But then he opens his mouth online in forums and starts making outrageous claims to go along with the outrageous prices of his boards and makes a kook of himself. If it wasn't for this he'd be a surfer marching to the beat of his own drum riding self-made boards of his liking. It's really too bad he found the internet.
I thought Roy's terms were quite clear from the outset. He fronted the board to share it with everyone on condition that we exercise a little group responsibility for it's keeping and distribution. As we speak someone in HI is already storing the board and looking after its well being at their own expense.
I don't know what it would cost to get it safely shipped to the U.S. but if 10 potential riders each put up $30 we could probably get pretty close to getting it done. Someone said earlier that whoever picked the board up in HI had to pay customs duties on it - we won't have to do that.
Long story short, we can put our money where our mouth is or we can just sit back and wonder how it rides all we want. I don't think it's fair to try to renegotiate the deal with Roy after the fact.
Yep, it's up to anyone who's interested enough to have a go.
Quote: I think it's fair to say that there are a fair number of surfers who have no interest in either turning or getting the most out of a wave.
I know a few people like that. They have owned a surfboard for years, but never learned how to surf.
This is pretty much unrelated, but I have a friend who was a very high level surfer that made a conscious effort to minimize his turning at one point. It was spurred by sitting on some nameless perfect reef pass in the south pacific by himself with a few hundred hits of acid.
After a few months of surfing perfect waves by himself, he came to the realization that surfing is very much a "look at me" activity for most of us. So his surfing changed. The only turns left were a setup bottom turn and a big round high speed cutback. Everything in between was subtle adjustment as he sought speed without effort and hunted for tubes.
I have no idea where he's at now. Probably dead.
Similar to what happened to me... I gradually got rid of anything superfluous.
Rolls are hand made, countless hours of construction and cost tons of money. Old/famous people mostly drive them for status, they're expensive as heck to fix and aren't known for handling very well in tight spots. VW are fast and zippy, highly customizable, work well in a variety of conditions and terrains and quite easy to repair or replace compared to a Rolls and priced within the industry standard for their class.
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Quote: I think it's fair to say that there are a fair number of surfers who have no interest in either turning or getting the most out of a wave.
I know a few people like that. They have owned a surfboard for years, but never learned how to surf.
This is pretty much unrelated, but I have a friend who was a very high level surfer that made a conscious effort to minimize his turning at one point. It was spurred by sitting on some nameless perfect reef pass in the south pacific by himself with a few hundred hits of acid.
After a few months of surfing perfect waves by himself, he came to the realization that surfing is very much a "look at me" activity for most of us. So his surfing changed. The only turns left were a setup bottom turn and a big round high speed cutback. Everything in between was subtle adjustment as he sought speed without effort and hunted for tubes.
I have no idea where he's at now. Probably dead.
Similar to what happened to me... I gradually got rid of anything superfluous.
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Now that is rich.
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Quote: Rolls are hand made, countless hours of construction and cost tons of money. Old/famous people mostly drive them for status, they're expensive as heck to fix and aren't known for handling very well in tight spots. VW are fast and zippy, highly customizable, work well in a variety of conditions and terrains and quite easy to repair or replace compared to a Rolls and priced within the industry standard for their class.
Roy's Rolls Roy's
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Your claim of a conspiracy in Hawaii is one that comes to mind. Many of your claims cannot be quoted because you've been banned from here so many times, and all your posts were erased.
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Quote: I've never said that there was a conspiracy.
You most certainly did. But, the evidence has been erased. That's pretty convenient for a liar such as yourself. Roy, time and again you have proven yourself to be a liar. Some of us have a good memory and you cannot deny what you've said in the past. Similar to your claims of the speeds you achieve. Out and out lies. You would get along with Randy Rarick if you met him, I think. He plays fast and loose with the truth, too.
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Quote: I've never said that there was a conspiracy.
You most certainly did. But, the evidence has been erased. That's pretty convenient for a liar such as yourself. Roy, time and again you have proven yourself to be a liar. Some of us have a good memory and you cannot deny what you've said in the past. Similar to your claims of the speeds you achieve. Out and out lies. You would get along with Randy Rarick if you met him, I think. He plays fast and loose with the truth, too.
Not a single solitary lie has been posted by my self, and like i said you have no evidence of anything of the sort.
Roy...here's a question that just came to me. Why did you change the spelling of your name? For years, your presence on the internet was under the name Roy Stewart. Now, much of I see that is supposedly written by you is under the name "Stuart".
roystuart.biz, etc
Wil the real Roy please stand up? (You don't have to crouch with your feet together. It's OK)
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Yo. My use of the smiling guy in the sombrero signifies a lighthearted approach, jesting, etc. Apparently I struck a nerve, sorry about that eh?
But, I do seem to recall that your stance on the Holocaust seemed to dramatically lowball the death estimates of nearly the entire body of historical work on the subject. So for me at least, it was outrageous.
Sorry, I did not read the other five pages. But I have one question:
How come everyone who rides these boards looks so dangerous, like they are out of control and struggling to stay on board. But not Roy, he just glides along, never really turns, but never really falls.
Everyone else just Bad sailors? I think not, I watched Sponge attempt to ride the beast at solid, windy Laniakea, where I thought the board may have a chance.
Send the board to California and then ride it down the cliff to Blacks.
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Incorrect, I'm in favour of equal rights for all and respect for human life.. I'm also against fascism and communism.. I just have an enquiring mind and found the subject interesting for a while.
Quote: Sorry, I did not read the other five pages. But I have one question:
How come everyone who rides these boards looks so dangerous, like they are out of control and struggling to stay on board. But not Roy, he just glides along, never really turns, but never really falls.
Everyone else just Bad sailors? I think not, I watched Sponge attempt to ride the beast at solid, windy Laniakea, where I thought the board may have a chance.
Send the board to California and then ride it down the cliff to Blacks.
I hear what you are saying.. i do turn though but without fuss.
The problem which the others have is riding too far aft and not spending enough time at it. The board is well balanced and is very sensitive to fore and aft trim.It is rider incompetence every time.
I'm not sure what the Sponge reference is though, as the board will handle anything if the pilot knows what he's doing... and it was Sponge's first attempt, correct?
Folks, The Royster loves this stuff. praise, abuse, doesn't matter, it's all attention, which he mainlines like a junkie on heroin.
Let's be truthful. His boards are unique. Truly one of a kind made with apparent real craftsmanship. And it'd be some grins to try and ride one, have some laughs, why not, we surfed a hollow door once to prove it could be done.
It's all the b.s. hyperbole that just ruins what could be a good thing on it's own merits. "Triple overhead. Got 30 waves, only guy to do so. Stretch is now copying my parabolic rocker. blah, blah. Me, Me, Me = You're all fools for not recognizing my greatness"
Just ruins it. Kind of like your drunk aunt giving you a goodnight kiss after a family dinner, and tries to stick her tongue down your throat.
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Roy does not surf, nor does he make surfboards. Sorry no matter how you slice it. Surfing isn't about rules and being told "you must ride this board this way." Are there expectations, sure. Are you going to get poop for doing something different, probably. But people doing things there own way and developing individual styles, and progressing on different types of equipment is what keeps us all coming back.
If Roy wants to go straight and ride boards based on whatever physics and hydrodynamic principles he feels are correct then great, but you, Roy, can't get all pissy when someone else approaches it differently and wants to ride it their way.
Give it up Roy, you always come back and its the same 'ol poop. Your boards are beautiful pieces of woodworking. Surf 'em how you want and just deal with the fact thats its very unexciting to most of us.
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Sorry no matter how you slice it. Surfing isn't about rules and being told "you must ride this board this way."
A ridiculous statement. The board being discussed must be ridden from the middle, that's a matter of physics. Ride of the aft end only if one wants to have a flapping bad time.
Furthermore it is an ironic statement considering the rule based cross stepping and noseriding longboard requirements of the industry.
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If Roy wants to go straight and ride boards based on whatever physics and hydrodynamic principles he feels are correct then great, but you, Roy, can't get all pissy when someone else approaches it differently and wants to ride it their way.
The point is that if one wants to ride it badly by not riding as it was designed to be ridden then one has no basis for saying that it is a bad design. One can't have it both ways. In reality I'm only trying to help by advising the riders how to get the best out of the board.
As for straight, the boards are like snakes they turn constantly.
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Give it up Roy
There's no chance of that.
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Surf 'em how you want and just deal with the fact thats its very unexciting to most of us.
Apparently not, both the board and the surfing get a lot of attention, here on the bb, in the water and on the beach.
Of course the approach is to surf without excitement, in a calm and collected way. It is more meditative... so you are right to some extent.
As you can see I already deal with whatever comments and reaction I get, and I do so in the same way that I surf, usually.
Quote: Roy does not surf, nor does he make surfboards. Sorry no matter how you slice it. Surfing isn't about rules and being told "you must ride this board this way." Are there expectations, sure. Are you going to get poop for doing something different, probably. But people doing things there own way and developing individual styles, and progressing on different types of equipment is what keeps us all coming back.
If Roy wants to go straight and ride boards based on whatever physics and hydrodynamic principles he feels are correct then great, but you, Roy, can't get all pissy when someone else approaches it differently and wants to ride it their way.
Give it up Roy, you always come back and its the same 'ol poop. Your boards are beautiful pieces of woodworking. Surf 'em how you want and just deal with the fact thats its very unexciting to most of us.
If the rider was either the most respected waterman in the world or a average OC longboarder, the result would be the same: Roy would find some excuse and blame it on the rider, never the board.
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Quote: If the rider was either the most respected waterman in the world or a average OC longboarder, the result would be the same: Roy would find some excuse and blame it on the rider, never the board.
Obviously if they don't ride the board correctly it doesn't matter what their names are or who respects them.... and they are not excuses they are reasons.
Quote: If the rider was either the most respected waterman in the world or a average OC longboarder, the result would be the same: Roy would find some excuse and blame it on the rider, never the board.
Obviously if they don't ride the board correctly it doesn't matter what their names are or who respects them.... and they are not excuses they are reasons.
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You can't ride that ironing platform "correctly"...... unless "correctly" means going in one direction.
It's horrible riding. Awful. Pigfuckingbad. I mean the way you do it.
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Roy, he just glides along, never really turns, but never really falls.
I just wanted to add that the board turns like a snake.
Snakes never seem to turn hard either, but are able to constantly re position themselves seamlessly.
Attempting to hack turns off the tail isn't the way.
Snaking through turns is a different approach and it works incredibly well, if the board is designed for it.
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although not my favorite kind of surfing to watch, when i remind myself the board is 13 ft long and wood (aka heavy as all hell) i do appreciate it more.
would love to see someone getting properly shacked on it like the story you posted earlier. although you wouldn't catch me ANYWHERE near a barrel on a board that big.. no matter how well it was designed.
Roy, he just glides along, never really turns, but never really falls.
I just wanted to add that the board turns like a snake.
Snakes never seem to turn hard either, but are able to constantly re position themselves seamlessly.
Attempting to hack turns off the tail isn't the way.
Snaking through turns is a different approach and it works incredibly well, if the board is designed for it.
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although not my favorite kind of surfing to watch, when i remind myself the board is 13 ft long and wood (aka heavy as all hell) i do appreciate it more.
would love to see someone getting properly shacked on it like the story you posted earlier. although you wouldn't catch me ANYWHERE near a barrel on a board that big.. no matter how well it was designed.
The 13 footer is only 35 pounds, I'm currently riding a 13-9 at 48 pounds, have had a few beach break tubes on a 70 pound 13-9, and plenty on 12 footers at 25 pounds.
Just finished reading the rest of this thread....Just to clarify: I'd LOVE to ride that board. If you guys want to donate money for shipping to San Diego in to a PayPal account, great....I'm up for $20...I'll pick it up at the airport (Lindbergh Field), store it for a month and then pass it on anywhere from IB to Oceanside. Let me know.
Roy- put me in touch with the person who currently has the board so I can work out shipping costs...Not saying it "WILL" happen, but if enough people chip in, I'm all for picking it up and storing it for a month.
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Edited by tenover (01/10/13 08:19 PM)
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We'll see. The onus is now on "us" if we want to surf it. No excuses. Put your money where your mouth is(not directed towards anybody in particular!).....I live a couple miles away from Lindbergh Field, so it's easy for me to pick up and store for a while.....But I'm NOT going to do that AND pay more than $20 to ride it. If anything, I *might* be able to store it at my house in Point Loma for a little bit more than a month.....Someone else has to step up and say they will take responsibility for the board after I hand it off. C'mon, lets do this...Pick it up in San Diego, surf it for a month and then send it up North...
The ball's in your court Roy......Put me in touch. How much does your board weigh?
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One of the members here who is in San Francisco has offered to get the board to his place if it's under $300 in freight, if that pans out he's welcome to hang on to it for a year or two if he's so inclined and it will be available to bb members to ride.
Thanks to the fellows who have offered to chip in.
Right on.....Who is the "member"? Just for the record, I'm making an offer to have it shipped from Hawaii to San Diego(with enough ER'bb $$$, which doesn't seem to be an issue), store it for a month or so(or more, if it's needed) ,let multiple BB'ers ride it, and then move it North.... In my opinion, it seems like you could get a LOT more out of it coming to San Diego than SF, but hey, that's your call....I'll be up in SF/Napa in May, can I try it out then/there?
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As I said before, there might already be a Paypal account out there with some money in it for this purpose. You guys may be a little closer on this than you realize.
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For $50 or a little less I'll ship you clowns a nice lumberyard 2nd 2'x14'x4" cedar plank.....same result when you hit the surf and you get to say "Made in America" at the end of your straight line run.......
Fark Roy.
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Due to the close friendship I have with many people of the Jewish faith, i cannot offer to take possession of this board. However, i am willing to take it for a spin for an hour per 30$ donation. Studying the films and am ready to ride the board.
Too many people are riding goofyfoot or regularfoot, but this board is meant to be ridden straight-on. The "toilet squat" approach seems to work best.
When dropping #2s, i no longer sit on the seat, but squat over the bowl and shift from left to right.
Feel that by applying the "toilet squat" technique and standing straight forward in the sweet spot, the board will perform at it's highest levels and enable multiple turns and barrel sections.
Hope it makes it over, i am preparing.
Does anyone have a large white helmet that i can borrow?
Quote: Due to the close friendship I have with many people of the Jewish faith, i cannot offer to take possession of this board. However, i am willing to take it for a spin for an hour per 30$ donation. Studying the films and am ready to ride the board.
Too many people are riding goofyfoot or regularfoot, but this board is meant to be ridden straight-on. The "toilet squat" approach seems to work best.
When dropping #2s, i no longer sit on the seat, but squat over the bowl and shift from left to right.
Feel that by applying the "toilet squat" technique and standing straight forward in the sweet spot, the board will perform at it's highest levels and enable multiple turns and barrel sections.
Hope it makes it over, i am preparing.
Does anyone have a large white helmet that i can borrow?
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Quote: It's interesting that it's been here for, what, five years, and I've never seen anyone surfing it.
That's because of the conspiracy against Roy, and all the death threats. It's quite chilling.
More likely because it's now a bartop in some new restaurant.
My offer still stands.....as long as a group of BB'rs can cover the shipping, I'll pick it up at Lindbergh Field(or anywhere in SD), store it for a month or two, and then pass it on....doubt it'll ever happen, but the offer is on the table.
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I've had many nicknames including: Seagull, Bowser, Balsa, Fluoro man, Lego man, Banana man, Banana Republic, and Slider.
I'm just wondering if you are the short pudgy little snub nosed man who came up to me at the Main Beach a while ago and asked me "Are you Roy Stuart?". I said yes and he ran or rather waddled away without saying anything.
By the way 'Floyd' you've made only six posts on this forum ... all six of them trolling me. The same pattern on the NZ forum too. You must find me more interesting than the rest of the surfing world combined! Are you Gay? Nothing against gay people but your behaviour is too obsessive for a normal male.
roy may well take shrooms as he has a very warped perspective on reality - the only time the surf has been triple overhead (in the last 15 years) at the mount was back in 04 during cyclone ivy.
although he claims to have surfed 12ft backdoor like barrels at the mount also... go figure
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roy may well take shrooms as he has a very warped perspective on reality - the only time the surf has been triple overhead (in the last 15 years) at the mount was back in 04 during cyclone ivy.
although he claims to have surfed 12ft backdoor like barrels at the mount also... go figure
Firstly Roy does not drink alcohol or take drugs of any kind and he has never eaten 'shrooms'.
Secondly 18 foot faces is what I mean by triple overhead, and that was how big it was on the Monday morning in question. Warped reality regarding wave size is the exclusive domain of people like yourself who under call using so called 'surfer's feet.
Thirdly the backdoor barrels at the Mount were double overhead i.e. 12 foot face, during 1999.
You may call me what you wish, I have many nicknames.
triple overhead on the wooden banana ? you guys gotta lay off the shrooms
As I said I didn't ride the Main Beach until the afternoon when it was smaller.
I have however, ridden 3 to 4 times overhead on the two original balsa Ghosts 12 many times, from 1998 onwards. By 4 times overhead I mean just that i.e. 24 foot faces.
i'm sick of your BS... and i'm calling you out on it.
There isn't any BS coming from me and apparently you are not sick of my posts or you wouldn't be here.
A recent example of my so called BS being proven to be correct was the accusation that my boards have excessive rocker which has been going on for at least 15 years, in spite of me explaining that this is not the case... this has now been demonstrated to be false yet again on the design forum this week using the example of the 13-9 Dragon board.
Until I receive evidence to the contrary I hereby assume that Floyd is a fat pasty pig faced dweeb with a generic shortboard which he uses as a buoyancy aid, attitude, and his Mum's keyboard.
Fortunately I had a top plastic surgeon to stitch me up.
That injury was from the original 70 pound Dragon board, and was entirely my fault... swam too fast to retrieve the board and piled straight into the pintail at full speed.
It didn't hurt, it just felt strange to have the face carved up. While being sewn up I felt ok only as long as I was lying symmetrically, I don't know why.
Quote: That injury was from the original 70 pound Dragon board, and was entirely my fault... swam too fast to retrieve the board and piled straight into the pintail at full speed.
Stop lying, Roy. There's no way you get a gash like that by merely swimming into the tail of a boat. You are a fvcking liar. The Geek of Whale Bay is full of sh!t.
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Quote: That injury was from the original 70 pound Dragon board, and was entirely my fault... swam too fast to retrieve the board and piled straight into the pintail at full speed.
Stop lying, Roy. There's no way you get a gash like that by merely swimming into the tail of a boat. You are a fvcking liar.
You are mistaken on all counts.
The board weighs 70 pounds when and had a chip of resin off the pintail which had a sharp edge, this sliced my face wide open.
triple overhead on the wooden banana ? you guys gotta lay off the shrooms
As I said I didn't ride the Main Beach until the afternoon when it was smaller.
I have however, ridden 3 to 4 times overhead on the two original balsa Ghosts 12 many times, from 1998 onwards. By 4 times overhead I mean just that i.e. 24 foot faces.
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So, by 24 foot faces you mean 3 foot hawaiian?
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The Royster and his canoe is analogous to the guy up the street with the tin foil hat building a spiffed up Model T replica in his garage , driving around town in it with his ear flap leather helmet and goggles on, seriously explaining to his wide eyed passenger why his New Model T is so much better then all the Porches and BMW's flying around him as he drives at 35 mph in the slow lane, insisting the whole time he is actually going 100 mph.
glad to hear it is in california. length? roy told me about one of his craft that has been at the surfermag office in OC. i tried to ask them about it but they wouldnt talk to me .... is this that board?
-------------------- The glide shall not be truncated - roy
We need to organize a happening around this board. Bring it south to C-street. Each participating er'BB member gets 20 minutes on the board. All rides video taped. Prizes for fastest ride, longest ride, most Roy-like style, etc. And of course, after contest party with the board resting on "board horses" and being utilized a bar/centerpiece.
-------------------- Only a fool trips over what’s behind them
Quote: glad to hear it is in california. length? roy told me about one of his craft that has been at the surfermag office in OC. i tried to ask them about it but they wouldnt talk to me .... is this that board?
This is the Future Primative 13 footer. [Whether it is measured tip to tip or over the stringer, I don't know (nor do I really care as it it plenty long enough for me).]
No idea if Roy Stewart has any board of his at the Surfermag office in "the county south of los angeles".
This came to me from Hawaii because I paid for the freight.
It is now in San Francisco, city and country, California.
I rode it a long while back in New Zealand before handing it off to Groovin'. Rides reports already exist.
I should be able to give a few more in time.
The ride report for this morning from me is simple enough:
Me: Small waves, offshore, lots of inertia to overcome, and once it gets going, as long as you don't try to surf it off the tail, is agile enough for the mass. I couldn't understand how anyone could give it a fair shake to such a different board after just a few surfs.
Friend #1: Caught a few, "it's kinda psycho, but it rides like nothing else and maybe would be fun to ride in bigger waves".
PS I took the photo of the board with the nose closest to the lens.
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Quote: We need to organize a happening around this board. Bring it south to C-street. Each participating er'BB member gets 20 minutes on the board. All rides video taped. Prizes for fastest ride, longest ride, most Roy-like style, etc. And of course, after contest party with the board resting on "board horses" and being utilized a bar/centerpiece.
omfg.
i would like to participate! i wonder if s.bass would loan me his stupid helmet for the video, and let me spraypaint it with a tasteful swastika motif?
The Royboard saga has been going on for years. I'm impressed that somebody took the initiative to get the board here and I sincerely hope it wasn't just one person.
Hopefully all who take the opportunity to ride the board while it's here in town will also participate in the costs it took to get it here. Don't leave Doof in the lurch.
I really wanna see it in action in Swamis or Cardiff type conditions.
Quote: Did you wear a helmet? Orange wettie? Do that tomorrow.
1) I only have motorbike helmets. Don't want to ruin them or drown by using them in the waves.
2) My wetsuits are black, mainly because the ones on sale are black.
3) Can't see myself wearing anything but the the usual stuff tomorrow.
I should mention that aside from protecting your noggin from the board, rocks, and other things, a surf helmet would make great sense in just ferrying the board from the land to the sea.
Or maybe I just need to start doing military presses again.
Quote: We need for someone to stalk Doof with a video camera.
If only my sweetie-pie liked getting up early on the weekend so she could stand in the cold breeze, cope with being hit on by all the "hopeful" dog-walkers while waiting for me to flail on a new board.......
Yours truly at Taylor's Mistake, Christchurch, New Zealand, and photographed by Groovin' in February 2008.
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The best wave I had in two weeks of having the board...just happy that the trip there was not planned only as a surf trip because if this is all I got, I would have been majorly bummed.
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Quit naming spots, Mr Doof!
Edited by Mr Doof (02/01/13 02:02 PM)
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Quote: Yeah, I saw the stills, but I want to see video. Come on Doof. This could be your 15 minutes...
I'm saving those 15 minutes for when I am caught wearing crotchless women's underwear under a rabbi's robes when storming the NYSE trading floor while playing the bagpipes and lipsyncing Samoa's national anthem after going on a juice fast for 17 days coinciding with a full moon rising in Pisces.
Honestly, I don't think I could really surf it better than Roy, unless it is all I surfed for a while at a spot I could easily get to the outside.
The point is that as a group the west coast guys should consider a little pay-to-play action here. You're gonna have it for a while but I hope that as the board moves around a little you recover some of your costs. Maybe post a pay-pal link with a targeted sum so we know where we stand.
Hey Bro, Hope you don't mind me kicking off your marketing effort. You could hang out in the parking lot at the base of Balboa with the board and wait for the offers to come rolling in.
Quote: Hey Bro, Hope you don't mind me kicking off your marketing effort. You could hang out in the parking lot at the base of Balboa with the board and wait for the offers to come rolling in.
By the way, that floor of yours has some possibilities...... got a spare sawsall and a planer?
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Roy has also said this type of board was design to be ridden dead center maybe a little forward of center.
I know you rode it before but i'm sure every surfer who's tried it has tried to ride it from the rear like rarick showed how it doesn't work surfing it like that.
If Roy's riding instructions are true and you can see him doing it in his videos, I'd like someone to try and ride the board up front with legs tight like a 70's stance to create this so called fulcrum he's talking about and report back if its true that it makes a difference. In my mind you have to ride this design like one of those old Bahne/Rossi monoski's for deep powder.
Because of its size and everyone's muscle memory i think almost every surfer riding this is afraid to give it a go like that.
turning the board with either the Buffalo K million dollar stance or hands forward tiki stance ahead of dead center would be the picture/video I'd pay to see.
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Quote: glad to hear it is in california. length? roy told me about one of his craft that has been at the surfermag office in OC. i tried to ask them about it but they wouldnt talk to me .... is this that board?
Surfingthemag not Surfer... sounds like you got the wrong office. It's a 7'10" balsa which they have had since 1995, according to Nick Carroll it was still there a couple of years ago.
Nick requested via fax that I send the board back in 199 back when he was editor, but left the job soon after.
Roy has also said this type of board was design to be ridden dead center maybe a little forward of center.
I know you rode it before but i'm sure every surfer who's tried it has tried to ride it from the rear like rarick showed how it doesn't work surfing it like that.
If Roy's riding instructions are true and you can see him doing it in his videos, I'd like someone to try and ride the board up front with legs tight like a 70's stance to create this so called fulcrum he's talking about and report back if its true that it makes a difference. In my mind you have to ride this design like one of those old Bahne/Rossi monoski's for deep powder.
Because of its size and everyone's muscle memory i think almost every surfer riding this is afraid to give it a go like that.
turning the board with either the Buffalo K million dollar stance or hands forward tiki stance ahead of dead center would be the picture/video I'd pay to see.
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That's Roy's patented Powercrouch! 
Just finished reading the rest of this thread....Just to clarify: I'd LOVE to ride that board. If you guys want to donate money for shipping to San Diego in to a PayPal account, great....I'm up for $20...I'll pick it up at the airport (Lindbergh Field), store it for a month and then pass it on anywhere from IB to Oceanside. Let me know.
is this real?? 
