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pancho side and hatchet trailer if the set up is for a tri fin, if the board has twin placement , get some twins , the CI ones look nice and so do the akila twins
Quote: Glass FT1s with the glass trailer. I like them better than the VFT1s because the VFT1s are glass flex or whatever the hell that material is called
I've heard good things about the Akila fins too, but have never tried them myself. Supposedly you gain verticality over the FT1s but lose some drive
i've used both and ft1's have more area. definitely more drive but akila's fin is waaay better. plenty of drive and more of a tri fin feeling....but free er. matt "album" parker's board with those fins was magic. that board was just so fast with very little effort.
singles, twins, quads, tris............twins suit me best
Quote: I"m all about quads! Ridden them for years. 450's in front and 375 out back
Recently, I went 510 twin in front with small little trailer in back and really liked it.
What would goin 510's in front and smaller than 375 in back do me?
It is easy to get too much fin with those big fronts but you want to go smaller
I'm experimenting with the same setup. The problem I am having with it is that I am inconsistent compared to a "normal" quad set up. One wave is great, the next one sucks.
I have found a set up I REALLY like for the board I've been experimenting so I guess I should leave well enough alone but I want to try that set in my board which is on the way....
Fin experimentation is fun
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i dont like the material..but the vector ft1 (512) is a bitchin set. the foil gives you a littel extra push out hte back end of your turn. i like that.
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Quote: one thread about quads , twins , tris , singles , 1+2 , and 2+1.
all fin all the time
HI RETODD! I'm 20W! What were you saying about tricked out singles fins? As you know, I am a fin whore and I thoroughly enjoy the thought of being able to spice my bonzer up with something different....not that it needs it!
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Quote: one thread about quads , twins , tris , singles , 1+2 , and 2+1.
all fin all the time
HI RETODD! I'm 20W! What were you saying about tricked out singles fins? As you know, I am a fin whore and I thoroughly enjoy the thought of being able to spice my bonzer up with something different....not that it needs it!
a yes the power foil halcyon could explain best but, here it goes
the way the leading edge is foiled , not to thin so its stiffer and the the foil along the root or cord ?? then on the trailing foil its concave ? not deep at all but it makes a huge difference in feel.
my retro single fin went mach 10 cray drive . a heavy back footer like your self would be surfing with a chuby the whole session
trying to get my fin quiver in order with out dropping much cash main questions is would m-5 sides and a k2.1 center be able to replace the set of k2.1's since i already have the m-5's also what be be the noticable difference in performane if I used a m-5 with a g1000 trl instead of the k2.1 set..
i presently own m-5's (set) mayhemb gmb (set) g1000's rears I have g-3 black sides and a rainbow trl fin 3.75
Ride mostly fast beach break in nj Looking for a good set up for my m-80
rode my 6'1 coil qualifier today in waist to shoulder high waves w/ k2.1 pc fins and ayyy caramba that thing was so fast and loose, just ridiculous!! Love the k2.1's in this board although it's the board more than anything.
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I agree - Akila's are waaaay better. Have been riding HP twins for a few years now, Akila's and Eric Arakawa's. The FT1s work, but definitely don't have the release off the top that Akila's do. And I don't think you loose that much drive with the Akila's compared to the FT1s. The Akia's are a more refined fin no doubt.
Have a new twin coming and am curious about this new set from Futures:
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AMT "Robber" set. Think they are new on the market. Wondering if anyone's given them a go or felt them up/compared their template to other Futures offerings for twins? Certainly a more upright template than Akila's and a bit more overall surface area.
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his fins are not like anything you've tried. i have a very special set on the way for my m80
ran into rich (halycon) this morning for a surf check and shot the sh!t for awhile. pretty cool cat. he did a ding repair and gave me a plumbing bid like 6 or 7 years ago...
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Has anyone tried the Futures Elevon quad set? I was all set to order some this afternoon, 'til they told me the retail is $190. Kind of want a testimonial before I drop that much.
I'm currently surfing V2 F4's on a Doc New Toy (round bump).
TC Redlines look like great fins for a wider tail shorty or step up. Claimed to have lots of drive but good tight pivot and plenty hold. Anybody using them and on what?
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Personal opinion, these have not been the all around performer I had hoped. I slap these on when its head+, but anything smaller than that is a waste. Obviously not loose, and I get zero drive in waist/chest/shoulder high.
These are strictly step-up for me, when I need extra hold.
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Quote: Has anyone tried the Futures Elevon quad set? I was all set to order some this afternoon, 'til they told me the retail is $190. Kind of want a testimonial before I drop that much.
you and me both. i'd like to try a set on my Stretch/Pugskate(I'm currently running the Simon Anderson/Future quads on it), but $190 for a set is steep.
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I don't really know a lot about fins but the G-10's on my Modfish are my favorite. With that being said should I pull the trigger on a set of quad and tri fins from GG for my 5 fin convertible step up Coil? I have a set of K-3's now. I am going to be adding an M-80 so would this cover me or should I get a trailer for the M-80 too? Or can any of my Modfish fins be used? As I said before I don't know what works.
Ok guys, I'm no where near as good a surfer as most of you in this thread probably but Id love some advice.
Young and in good shape, weigh about 145 lbs and ride a 5'11 HPSB with FCS fins, on a good beach break, maybe 4 feet avg.. Sometimes 3 sometimes 5 on the sets. I'm not amazing but Im turning and cutting back, what do you think a good fin to start out with would be. I've been using the cheap cheap ones till now and I'd like to start trying some better quality ones out and see if they make a big difference.
Any guidance is much appreciated
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Quote: Ok guys, I'm no where near as good a surfer as most of you in this thread probably but Id love some advice.
Young and in good shape, weigh about 145 lbs and ride a 5'11 HPSB with FCS fins, on a good beach break, maybe 4 feet avg.. Sometimes 3 sometimes 5 on the sets. I'm not amazing but Im turning and cutting back, what do you think a good fin to start out with would be. I've been using the cheap cheap ones till now and I'd like to start trying some better quality ones out and see if they make a big difference.
Any guidance is much appreciated
145? Youve probably got some extra nose man....get a F()*#(*)# 5'8 or something
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I'm 5'8 and wear a wettie most of the year. A 5'8 seems a little small for a shortboard don't you think? Was going to get a 5'7 blakbox for a summer board, But for my level 5'11 hpsb seems ok, I could probably go to 5'10 for my hpsb but I don't know if I'd want to go too much lower. I'm worried about sizing down too much too quickly and just not being able to surf well
Another question for you fin pros, at 145 lbs I'm between small and medium size Fcs fin recommendations. Small is recemended for 130-155 lbs and med is 140-165 lbs or so. When would be good to have a medium size fin vs a small? What sort of wave would be better to have a larger fin vs a smaller one?
Sorry if these are newbie questions but the whole fin science really confuses me.
Quote: Another question for you fin pros, at 145 lbs I'm between small and medium size Fcs fin recommendations. Small is recemended for 130-155 lbs and med is 140-165 lbs or so. When would be good to have a medium size fin vs a small? What sort of wave would be better to have a larger fin vs a smaller one?
Sorry if these are newbie questions but the whole fin science really confuses me.
There is nothing more frustrating than fins that are too big. A lot of it comes down to your experience and your strength. Go with a set of smaller but stiff FCS fins and experiment from there. Maybe you need a medium set of side fins and small back fin. Maybe just the opposite, depending upon how you ride. But establish a base line you like, so you can compare to that. If I were you, I'd invest in the FCS H series, and get the small template one. From there, open you mind.
Quote: TC Redlines look like great fins for a wider tail shorty or step up. Claimed to have lots of drive but good tight pivot and plenty hold. Anybody using them and on what?
I like 'em. Used mostly as a thruster in good waves on the Coil Widerboard. When the waves are punchy, this is a great combo. Tried 'em as a thruster in the M80 and didn't like it, but they go good as quad fronts with both Aqualine rears and Q1 rears so far. Want to play with them in a bunch of boards as the quad fronts with a variety of rear fins. I'll only go thruster when it's juicy.
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I've loved them in my Comet, go good in the Shadow, and went really well in the DBD I had before. Need to try them out in the Widerboard and M80. Fast, plenty of drive, and lots of "bite" on hard carves. Feel like the harder you push, the better they go.
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Every board that i have put GG fins in have transformed them ,,,RNF... SD!! ,,COIL ,, WD ,,, Webber ,,, Mabile ,,, especially the FST Stealth was a slug till i put my mod fish fins in .. large up front back fins as quads !
A model i made a long time ago that i have not shown here. Its the reverse of a Twinzer. A Twin with a small fin just behind and slightly outside capturing the pressure coming off the fronts.
I'm sure this has been asked and answered many times but... any chance of your fins being set up with future bases??? I'd be all over the kool aid but my "cups" won't work.
I was having a conversation with a friend last night, and I mentioned how much I appreciate fins being made to fit the board I'm riding. I don't want to deal with trying out different fins for my boards, I want the fins designed for what I'm riding. Just a personal preference, I know others love it. I have two thrusters on order, been quite a few years since I've ridden one, looking forward to it.
Are you getting fins designed just for the board every time you get a different board? Or is the shaper just attaching whatever template he likes?
The bamboos need more testing. I'll tell you after Wed.
I got the G10 from the USA knife maker site. They have a bunch of different colors. I figure I can squeeze a quad set out of the two pieces I ordered. The best thing about this: I don't have to lam the fins. Just cut, sand, and go (if it were only this easy to do the first two steps). Bamboo takes way more time to make.
The fins are foiled for each custom board, based on the templates he has developed over time for his various shapes. From past experiences with some other shapers, the fins that were recommended or provided weren't necessarily the fins I ended up riding with the board.
can anyone solve the mystery of why theres not that many templates for lightweights (under 150 lbs)? the heavier builds seem to enjoy a large selection. Templates such as Lost, from what Ive read they are great... I wanna try them too... in a smaller size
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Quote: Xmas present: black and orange G10. Now I just need to learn how to foil some fins.
Supposed to look like this when foiled:
do different colors change any physical properties of g10? i'm also wondering how hard it would be to find the same colors that site has but in bigger sheets.cool looking stuff you found
i guess i am saying is that if you made your fins out of normal fin panels instead of g-10 ??
I'm guessing with standard glass instead of G10, GG would have to run a thicker foil in the fin to achieve similar stiffness properties. thus, more drag at higher speeds.
Greg, I do have one question and maybe even tomdaum can chime in, do thicker foils have more drive at lower speeds due to more water attachment? e.g. easier to swim the board off the fins at lower speed?
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moved my GG front fins up past the dot today for the first time . its official , you can have 2 different boards in one.
one the dots my board is lights out fast fast fast , seldom slides , loves power turns . up on top of the dots it becomes a submissive servant , ultra forgiving ( my only complaint with the g-10's is that it was not forgiving ) super easy to whip little top turn snaps then continue down the line , skatey , and even more front foot friendly .
slight decrease in down the line drive , but today was not about g-land speed runs anyway .
Yes different colors do affect the G-10. Some colors have fire retardant in it for heat resistance. Because of that when it warms up it stays stiff. Hard too foil though. Some of the colored G-10 uses fabric for the color it is not fiberglass. Tends not to be as stiff at tip of fin. Colored G-10 or G-10 with carbon are usually only sold in small sheets because they are limited run production done on small presses. Natural colored G-10 is done on 48"X96" presses. The presses are huge and expensive. A cool way to make multi colored panels is to buy thin G-10 of different colors and sand with 36 grit and glue them together with epoxy.
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marlin101 lbx1's... love em'.. and im 142lbs my everything hpsb is a 5'9. something 5'8-6'1 covers me in almost everything by me...when i do get some kind of wd or dumpster diver board it'll be a 5'5.. 5'7 is to big
just got a new 6-1 bourton hpsb that came with glass flex m5's. i think i hate them. getting zero drive/response in average lined up waves. traded the fronts with the AMs in hh+ waves, and voila heaps of drive but chitty turning.
need to find something in the middle i think.
k2.1s maybe? haven't had an fcs board in ages, and with the extent of their range, hard to know where to begin.
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Leave the Am's and adjust the rear to free it up for turning. Start with moving the rear slightly forward then changing the fin to another template - size.
Quote: Leave the Am's and adjust the rear to free it up for turning. Start with moving the rear slightly forward then changing the fin to another template - size.
unfortunately, they're not the fusion plugs , so i'll throw in a smaller rear fin and see if that frees it up alright.
might be that i need to just get some fins in a stiffer material as well.
i'll check out the pc7s, for the advice!
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for gooooood waves and ok ones to you cant go wrong with gregs fins .
even if you have the old style black plugs his fin tabs are smaller and allow fin tuning . it should also be noted that his fins fit flush , all 3 of them , in all boards !!! novel concept
Quote: do thicker foils have more drive at lower speeds due to more water attachment? e.g. easier to swim the board off the fins at lower speed?
Havoc, you seem to understand and be educated in things far beyond my own personal understanding, but just thought I would offer the Thick fins vs. Thin Fins thread at Swaylocks you might be able to make head and tails of it for me, its like I’m Alice and I just went down the rabbit hole. not light reading (for me)
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Quote: for gooooood waves and ok ones to you cant go wrong with gregs fins .
even if you have the old style black plugs his fin tabs are smaller and allow fin tuning . it should also be noted that his fins fit flush , all 3 of them , in all boards !!! novel concept
drivey fins would be the AM line 1 or 2 , pc is better than gf. you can get glass ones from true ames .
next up in drive , the mayhem and simon anderson.
honorable mention would be the stretch fin in pc and the TP-1.
sice your in the UK the CB-3 could be a great option for drive , and they are pg to .
all fin sets from fcs can benefit from a M3 center fin , it can really loosen up a board off the top and " seems " faster with less effort .
yeah, i tried some am1s i had laying around in some pushier lined up waves and got all the drive i could want. however, when it came to putting it on rail they felt twitchy and too much fin. perhaps i could substitute the m5 rear with an m3 like you said to free it up. could be as well that the twitchiness at higher speeds was due to the glass flex material bending all over the place, and a stiffer fin would have eliminated this problem.
the last 3 boards i owned were customs with custom fins, so haven't had to think about it for a while. i generally get a board every year and surf it to extinction.
thanks for the tips!
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Broke my bamboo tab from the outside?! the other day. I thought my board was a little bit loose on fs cutbacks, but I thought I was just being a kook, as usual. Got out and noticed my fin was loose. I didn't think the outside needed any strength, but I guess I was wrong. I glassed the inside 4 x 4 oz + 1 CF layer, but only one layer on the outside. Now they're going to be glass ons. Back to my G10.
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I kinda look at breaking a fin as a badge of honor...
BTW I found FUN setup for my Coil Springfish today Glass Occy (FCS Occy Side Fin Size: Side Base: 4.62 in. 118 mm; Side Depth: 4.68 in. 119 mm) copies from Indonesia for the fronts and old school black material FCS-tabbed Future Vector 437s for the rears
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Quote: I kinda look at breaking a fin as a badge of honor...
BTW I found FUN setup for my Coil Springfish today Glass Occy (FCS Occy Side Fin Size: Side Base: 4.62 in. 118 mm; Side Depth: 4.68 in. 119 mm) copies from Indonesia for the fronts and old school black material FCS-tabbed Future Vector 437s for the rears
vector 437 in the rear..finally someone F)(*#(*)#)( gets what im saying!
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Quote: I kinda look at breaking a fin as a badge of honor...
BTW I found FUN setup for my Coil Springfish today Glass Occy (FCS Occy Side Fin Size: Side Base: 4.62 in. 118 mm; Side Depth: 4.68 in. 119 mm) copies from Indonesia for the fronts and old school black material FCS-tabbed Future Vector 437s for the rears
vector 437 in the rear..finally someone F)(*#(*)#)( gets what im saying!
I'm all about the big rears too
Both of my Bulkley boards work so good with the same sized fins both front and rear I wanted to see what a similar setup would work like in my Springfish- and I was rewarded with stock
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Didn't even consider it. Too much work. I'm just excited not to have to glass anything.
I'd rather pass on the badge of honor and still have my fins. Bamboo experiment over until I get lokbox and some 101s. Sticking with G10. I don't care about the extra weight. I can't do airs, anyway.
Learn to use your fin area properly and you wont want the flex of bamboo. With G-10 you can retain the energy longer through each maneuver maximizing each maneuver.
Quote: Learn to use your fin area properly and you wont want the flex of bamboo. With G-10 you can retain the energy longer through each maneuver maximizing each maneuver.
and not break fins
fcs pc and homemade bamboo's
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I'm not sure how I can learn not to break fins. Just not use PC and bamboo anymore? I don't know why my Stretch PCs cracked. The tabs are solid glass. Inside foil?
I can't get out of the single fin rut after all these years. Hank Byzak and Dale Dobson came up with this fin on a board Hank did for me about 15 years ago. Unfortunately, I included the board with the woodie when I sold the woodie about 5 years ago.
Soooooo, shortly I am going to be glassing on some homemade wood fins of mine.
Keel fins on a 5'11" fish.
I've glassed on fins before as shown on my homemade red fish:
Anyhow, I made the two keel fins with a layer of three-ply, 2 oz resin impegnated glass, and then another later of three-ply, foiled them.
Turned out not too shabby, but far from great, and actually, I ended up erring on the side of "not chasing perfection"...then when I looked on the clock wall, 2 hours had passed in about 5 minutes.
I think I have the fin placement down ok, but what I am most curious about is the lay-up schedule.
I was planning on three layers of 2 oz per side, or two layers from base to tip and the 3rd layer only going up part of the way.
Then I thought, maybe a single layer of 4 oz from base to tip, and a layer of 2 oz halfway up from the base.
What do some of you smarter people than me think about any of these ideas? Perhaps something else completely?
If you going to do a flat side on the inside of the foil, Layup a about 10 or so layers of 6oz. on the wood. Once the panel is cured good and hard, usually a day and a half (don't try and cut the stuff when the glass lay-up is still rubbery)layout you templates and cut you fin plugs out. Get the foiling them and you'll have a nice glass bead all the way around the perimeter of the fin. Grind to about 120 grit to get nice clean edges on the foil perimeter. Tack you fin in the board with a little Lam. resin along the base a tape them to the exact cant and toe in you want. I like 2 degrees of toe in and 1/8" toe in. From 6oz. cloth cut three football shaped piece for each side of the fin base (total of twelve football base support piece. Cut a couple of full size ~ plus ~ pieces for each side of the fins (total of eight shell lamentation pieces) Cut a four lengths of roving a couple inches longer than the fin base with one end taped to hold it together. Soak the roving good and squeegee it with you gloved finger. Place the base support piece on first on either side and follow with the shell. Do all this with lam resin. You can trim around the perimeter of the fins when the resin gets rubbery with a razor blade. Hot coat the whole thing and sand it out.
If you want them permanent _ Glass on. Make them with a wide tab to rout them in. 1 - 2 layers patch on the bottom Rout a slot for the tab . Etch the deck inside the slot for a good bond. Resin with fibers and this will be the strongest cleanest fin install.
Futures has fewer options for twins + trailer. These are really nice material and foiled correctly for max ripping. Just use a small Futures center and...
Grif. ~ Have to admit that that fillet formed by the roving on glass-in does IMHO nothing for performance. The slot in the board technique will yield a far better performing result.
Todd, That blod spot is a new one for me. Do you know where it comes from? To answer your question, the fins on the spit taii Scrambler are helical foiled. Nick and I decided to go with FCS Fusion so we could place the fin boxes so that the fin tabs can be placed at the very front of the base cord. This accomplishes three principle things. A) No more kelp catching. B)As long a base cord as we choose without box infringement. C) The fins will contour with the turning arc, thus giving more speed through the turns and flex modulus recoil when coming into the trim line -- giving a feeling of an push out of the turns and less over all fin wash. I do the fins both of glass/poly and glass/carbon/epoxy. Chances are that those blue fins on the blog are cut from the same panel as the YU set I foiled for you.
I have a couple orders up for epoxy/glass/carbon fins. So I will be doing some fin panels of this material. Thank you very much for sharing the you Halcyon/YU fins with your friends. It is very generous of you.
Quote: If you want them permanent _ Glass on. Make them with a wide tab to rout them in. 1 - 2 layers patch on the bottom Rout a slot for the tab . Etch the deck inside the slot for a good bond. Resin with fibers and this will be the strongest cleanest fin install.
Thanks for the advice, ideas, directions. Both you you Giffin and others.
I am glassing homemade fins on a homemade HWS (using epoxy resin).
I wonder if I should route a slot in the bottom skin.
I didn't do that for the previous red fish and those are still rock solid with just two layers of 4 oz cloth per side (along with some homemade "rope").
Also am thinking of glassing the fins to the wooden skin first, clean it up (smooth out the edges) then glassing the rest of the board. Any reason why I wouldn't want to do this?
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I see the fin is 2" tall but the base is 6 1/4". I know that I'm not going to get that kind of a base from an M5 but how do you think cutting down a glassflex into a fin similar would work? Or should I just spend $25 on one?
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rode two coils..roughly my dims. in terms of flex and what positive that comes from it....i think ambrose sufboards flexdrive, standard xtr foam and glass schedule, and firewire (i F*(#()# HATE THEM) gave more bang for the efort than coil did. CAn only guage what i have ridden and had results with. hell...i even prefer the feel of standard pupe to the coil sh!t.
let teh fat kook lynching begin.
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I didn't like coils the first time I rode them. then once you get used to and try to utilize the flex, you feel the benefit and it's kinda mind blowing in many ways. they feel very alive. I think you have to have at least 5 sessions to get a good feel before you write them off. I still like my polys but dig the coil tech. plus mike is a pretty darn good shaper.
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oops, 20w hijack. rode 2 sets of fins on my 6'1 qualifier. the medium simon anderson s25's and the k2.1. both pc's. Love the k2.1 when it's under head high but got more drive and hold with the simons in anything bigger. stoked!
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Quote: rode two coils..roughly my dims. in terms of flex and what positive that comes from it....i think ambrose sufboards flexdrive, standard xtr foam and glass schedule, and firewire (i F*(#()# HATE THEM) gave more bang for the efort than coil did. CAn only guage what i have ridden and had results with. hell...i even prefer the feel of standard pupe to the coil sh!t.
let teh fat kook lynching begin.
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Does anyone else like nearly equal to equal sized fins front and rear on quads?
I have found that this is my favorite setup in my quads. I push them about as close together as they can go in my adjustable fin boxes (eg Fusions and Lokbox)
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Quote: Does anyone else like nearly equal to equal sized fins front and rear on quads?
I have found that this is my favorite setup in my quads. I push them about as close together as they can go in my adjustable fin boxes (eg Fusions and Lokbox)
Yes, I love this set up. I think it really depends on the placement of the boxes though. If all 4 fins are close to the rail they work really good. I am using Grif templates up front and PC5's in the back box's, goes unreal for me. Lots of drive and is loose.
Last session I bought a set of H3 Larges for the rear box's, even better than the PC5's. Felt a spring out of my bottom turns I had not felt before.
Mr. Bulkley suggested this set up of all 4 similar size a while ago and I have not gone back. Stiffer material for the front fins and flexier material for the rear.
Tried four LBX1s in his polywog on fire. Not quite enough fin for me, I think, but after discussing with Brian, I'm going to move the fins back and see how it does. I need to try the big rears on my new M80. I'm intrigued by the concept. I prefer more drive out of my fins. I'm thinking G10 fronts and Kelly's composite side fins in the rears might make the fat diamond tail hold.
Upright rear fins on the dots were WAY better on my Polywog. Full template rears made the board unworkable (for me). I use a slightly fuller set of rears Marlin made me from a Belik outline.
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Snapped some shots of some of the single fins (the ones not in boards currently) as I was picking some out to put on the shelf I just made.
I still gotta put the rubber clamps on the brackets that hold the fins so that they don't shift due to their weight. The hardware store's rubber stickies were too thick
Rode these in my normal shortboard today. Awesome drive and hold. They were made for my groveler, but they still went really well. Great first session. Thanks, Halcyon.
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For those with a 5 fin set from GG can you use them in other combination's? What works well? I know the fins work great in my Modfish but I wanted to see if I could experiment with them on my other boards in different setups.
Quote: Like a mod fish 5 with the three same sized rear ?
The front fins are the same as his tri / quad front . They will work great in anything and a Merick fin can be a substitute for the trailer.
Yes, the 5 fin set for the Mod with the 3 same size rears. Would a K-3 center work w/ the GG fronts as a tri? If I wanted to use the fronts as a quad what should I pair them up with?
Any trailer will work , the k3 will do the trick .
For quad trailers I would use the Grom K2.1 sides .( that's what I use ) Or gxq / gx for a looser feel . But quads are personal so experimentation is always a good idea .
Why not get trailers from Greg ?
The ninja fins are glass , ride report soon but not to soon because Twinzers are on the agenda
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I'm generally not into fin boxes but they are convenient, and I've been making a few wooden fins with tabs for boxes for people to try.
Here's one ( A ten inch spitfire cutaway ) just finished which has gone to New Jersey. The tab is an offcut from a fin panel which has ( as can be seen) been attached with 5 mm brass rods, a rather victorian way of doing it but so far they seem to be standing up to use well, and they are certainly selling steadily.
Glass is denser, stronger, and doesn't absorb water, so it's better as the part of the box which takes the plate and bolt is relatively thin and is prone to wear and high stress.
A denser wood could be used, glassed. I chose to use a glass tab.
glass tab with brass rods structured into fin make complete sense to me. Wood tabs are always problematic. I gave up on them a long time ago. A sound a proper solution IMHO.
Aloha, Rich
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Quote: I'm generally not into fin boxes but they are convenient, and I've been making a few wooden fins with tabs for boxes for people to try.
Here's one ( A ten inch spitfire cutaway ) just finished which has gone to New Jersey. The tab is an offcut from a fin panel which has ( as can be seen) been attached with 5 mm brass rods, a rather victorian way of doing it but so far they seem to be standing up to use well, and they are certainly selling steadily.
Quote: I'm generally not into fin boxes but they are convenient, and I've been making a few wooden fins with tabs for boxes for people to try.
Here's one ( A ten inch spitfire cutaway ) just finished which has gone to New Jersey. The tab is an offcut from a fin panel which has ( as can be seen) been attached with 5 mm brass rods, a rather victorian way of doing it but so far they seem to be standing up to use well, and they are certainly selling steadily.
Quote: I'm generally not into fin boxes but they are convenient, and I've been making a few wooden fins with tabs for boxes for people to try.
Here's one ( A ten inch spitfire cutaway ) just finished which has gone to New Jersey. The tab is an offcut from a fin panel which has ( as can be seen) been attached with 5 mm brass rods, a rather victorian way of doing it but so far they seem to be standing up to use well, and they are certainly selling steadily.
Quote: For the record. Luddite may call this template a spitfire but it ain't the real spitfire template.
Google search spitfire wings and you'll see the real thing.
I just made the real thing for a Bark Paddle board. When I get performance reports I'll check back.
No Worries, Rich
Hello Rich.
It's a true elliptical planform fin, with the addition of a cutaway.
We do 'Spitfire' fins with the apex at 50/50 as shown here or further forward as in the original spitfire wing.
The chord to height ratio or position of the apex can be changed and the hydrodynamic advantages remain.
It is notable that the spitfire wing itself is not exactly true to the elliptical planform due to manufacturing difficulties. The tip is pointier than it should be
It's also notable that the 'spitfire' fin produced by revolution surf is not a true elliptical palnform either. It has an even pointier tip and quite a lot of rake to the leading edge which isn't true to the elliptical planform principle.
My cutaway is of course a variation on the theme also, although the spitfire tailplane did have one.
Havoc, just kidding there meng....shoot I wish I were a slim and trim like you than short and stubby like me. Note to self....hit the gym this weekend..
Win win
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Quote: Havoc, just kidding there meng....shoot I wish I were a slim and trim like you than short and stubby like me. Note to self....hit the gym this weekend..
Win win
no worries meng, I'm used to it lol!
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my magic 8 ball says it's very likely you will get a second opinion next week. warning... my surfing has taken a pretty big hit with all the time out of the water
What's the foil on the inside? How stiff are they being CF? I'm imagining how a set of those would go scaled down as sidebiters on my CF egg or even as a thruster set up. I've had a CF DVS rocket fish with the early flex keels which were the forerunners of the Rasta keels Futures makes
Uploaded with ImageShack.us and also (just out of interest) a less extreme variety of these Tomos in a Murray Bourton "Trippin fish"
Uploaded with ImageShack.us and they were both great fins. Man..looking at the shot of my early CF rocket fish is funny. The carbon without the gloss coat looks so industrial. Speaking of Tomo isn't this him with a few old farts. Not sure who they are?
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there's more pics in my photo album on image shack. May have to sign up to see them though. Just search free2b as the username or this link http://my.imageshack.us/v_images.php Lots of pics of fins I've been trying in my CF egg as well as pics of boards past and present. Cant and V out the back of the Bourton.
Uploaded with ImageShack.us Still curious about the foil on the Tomo CF's?
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OK, I got a question here. I wasn't going to go through 7 pages to see if it was answered so forgive me.
I have an 8'2" Proctor gun. FCS. Used to have Rainbow Carbon Fibers but they broke out on an unfortunate day at Todos (thanks a LOT Mike Farkas [long story]), soo...
Getting to that point again in my surfing where I want to be able to use that board again in warrantable conditions. Any fins in particular you'd recommend for that board?
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Quote: OK, I got a question here. I wasn't going to go through 7 pages to see if it was answered so forgive me.
I have an 8'2" Proctor gun. FCS. Used to have Rainbow Carbon Fibers but they broke out on an unfortunate day at Todos (thanks a LOT Mike Farkas [long story]), soo...
Getting to that point again in my surfing where I want to be able to use that board again in warrantable conditions. Any fins in particular you'd recommend for that board?
I would use a PC7 center or Sunny center with PG3 sides on that board, IMO.
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And for ifallalot/havoc, thinking more DOH-TOH+. F*ck Swamis. Besides, that board would still be 4' shorter than everyone else's at that kook factory.
That board is money. A little thin but it handles. Times I've used it, it has been great. Fins were great too, bummed to lose them, just happy plugs didn't get ripped out.
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From what I read on fin performance studies they also allow for my better momentary changes in angle of attack. Consider that the upper lobe leading edge of a mature Mako shark has them. I'll tell you what, those muthas are like a snake and can go from 0 to 60 in about a second.
I've done single with them and they work great: Lots of work though and I wonder who'll pay for it ?~?
Stay Stoked, Rich
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Come September maybe somebody will order a set. An extra $50.00 would be fair IMHO.
Too bad they haven't been able to study Makos better Those sharks put a great white in the clunker division. I've seen underwater photos of them swimming down a bait trolled at about 15 knots and seem to appear from now where. as they overtake the bait.
There are some big time sport fisherman who frequent this forum who will attest to their prowess.
Good links, thanks. Interesting stuff: Humpback whale flippers closely resemble the 21% thick, low drag NACA 634-021 wing in cross section.
Few other passive means of altering fluid flow around a wing can both increase lift and reduce drag at the same time.
However, the greatest potential gains can be made at angles of attack greater than 15 degrees, where boundary layer separation and wing stall can be expected.
We show, through wind tunnel measurements, that the addition of leading-edge tubercles to a scale model of an idealized humpback whale flipper delays the stall angle by approximately 40%, while increasing lift and decreasing drag.
This is way over my head (I'm no engineer), but I like the bottom line and am game to mess around with some fins.
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really fast and sturdy fin , great projection off the bottom. plenty of hold and drive in turns , just a bit sticky off the top .
great construction - foiled to perfection ( fin is thicker in the center than other PG fins ) nice taper front to back and has a inside foil . first fin i have tried with PG construction and this feature . side fin resembles a K3 with a couple mm more base and a thinner tip . the trailer has a bit more rake then a M3 and a thinner tip but the same amount of area ( just eyeballing )
fins would be great for someone who likes the K3 but wants better hold and projection in turns .
Quote: I kinda look at breaking a fin as a badge of honor...
BTW I found FUN setup for my Coil Springfish today Glass Occy (FCS Occy Side Fin Size: Side Base: 4.62 in. 118 mm; Side Depth: 4.68 in. 119 mm) copies from Indonesia for the fronts and old school black material FCS-tabbed Future Vector 437s for the rears
vector 437 in the rear..finally someone F)(*#(*)#)( gets what im saying!
Are the 437's going to fit in rear quad future boxes.? Blackstix or plastic?
Quote: For the record. Luddite may call this template a spitfire but it ain't the real spitfire template.
Google search spitfire wings and you'll see the real thing.
I just made the real thing for a Bark Paddle board. When I get performance reports I'll check back.
No Worries, Rich
There are a bunch of things out there called Spitfires. Two surfboard companies call their models that. The fin I do, which mostly came from Cheyne's winged keel is the shape of a Spitfire plane wing. We just started calling them that instead of Wingless keel to shorten it. Having done them awhile not and gotten lots of feedback and riding them. I prefer them on boards with some straighter rails. Not so much curve in the back end.
Not sure there is too much to a name.
Luddite....love the fin and workmanship.
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cray drive . a heavy back footer like your self would be surfing with a chuby the whole session 
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used them today
, so i'll throw in a smaller rear fin and see if that frees it up alright.
for the advice!
Rich
