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Quote: hows this different than the plank? or which ones better for small waves
It depends on what you consider "small". For instance, I ride my plank when it's knee-ish high and under. It will do full roundhouses, mini floaters, mini snaps, no problem. It's not really a cruiser in the truest sense of the word, but you can use it as such.
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silentbutdeadly
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Quote: hows this different than the plank? or which ones better for small waves
Only had a plank for 2 sessions and liked, but didn't REALLY like it. Felt like it surfed more 'flat' to me, although you could still crank it around pretty good considering how wide the nose is. Felt a little more like a mini-longboard that could carve. The BF, to me, feels more like an oversized 'normal' board in that it goes rail-to-rail pretty easily, can be pumped for speed just like normal, and surfs pretty neutral between front and back foot weight placement. I definitely prefer it over the Plank. I like the BF more than the Sweet Potato too. All 3 are fun boards though.
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Played with a few asym setups on it this morning. Been happy with how the Scarfini quads have felt backside so I left those alone on the heel side. Started this a.m. with the large VS twin in the front, canard fin in the front slot of the rear quad box, and the Pivot nubster in the front slot of the trailer box. Then switched the nubster to the rear slot of the trailer for a few, then switched the canard to the rear slot (pictured). All were fun, but this setup felt best to me frontside. Pretty fast, easy to turn, and really could drive off of the rail and fins on smaller waves and generate speed in some pretty weak waves. I think I like this setup and the straight Scarfini quads with Pivot nub best so far. Nothing has felt "over-finned".
What I'm feeling so far overall with the board after a handful of sessions now... Board picks up any wave with even a little push super, super easily, and picks up gutless waves very easily as well. In weaker surf you're able to pump and drive much like you would on a more "conventional" shape, rather than gliding/skating like on a mini-sim type board, but you do have to be more active and work the board more. It's fast, and you can pump and generate speed pretty easily both front and backside, even in small waves, but not nearly as fast top-end speed as either my Ghostbuster or Von Sol twinzer fish. What it lacks in all-out speed is sort of balanced I guess with it's ability to throw it up into a lip and do hard turns in the pocket better than either of the other two. I'm not out-running any waves, and today actually was left behind on a few running gems, but on most waves it goes fast enough and I can throw it up quickly and go rail-to-rail quickly. I don't think it's ideal for dumpy, fast, down-the-line racers, for me. Backside, it's waaaay easier to surf and do bottom and top-turns than the GB for me.
Overall, I like it quite a bit. For someone who normally rides hpsb's, it'll probably be a super-groveler that doesn't feel completely different like a mini-sim...more 'normal'. For someone who normally rides hybrid/alt type shapes it's a really fun groveler that's easy to surf and lets you have fun in smaller waves than most would. IMO.
Hope this helps anyone thinking about one. Would love to hear others' experiences.
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silentbutdeadly
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Nice honest review oslide. I think I saw you walking north back from your session this morning? Was in your hood and saw a very blue board going north!
If you ever want to try the sub let me know. I'd love to try the BF.
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ciscojaws
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Cisco, no idea about the volume...can't make out much on the bottom other than the large MB sig and 'For Joey'. There's quite a bit of foam in the board, although the nose is actually foiled nicely and the tail is not boaty either.
grendel, thanks for the suggestion. Fun to tweak the setups out in the water. Just brought a fin key and played around.
Thanks guys.
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VCaba21
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Good review! I'm looking at a ...lost Orca to maybe replace the speedquest.
Orca? must google now.....
Oh yeah, I remember reading about them on Matt's blog. That does look fun!I think I like the "curvier" outline of the BF, as opposed to the straighter rail line of the Orca. Although the Orca's should be drivier and faster, I would think that the BF would have a tighter turning radius.
Can't wait to see it, if you get one grend. BTW, it was great to meet you last weekend at Basham's with ghostshaper
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FishFace
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Board went pretty well in very weak waist high and below (mostly below) beachbreak waves today with Stiletto quads and pivot nub. With many of the waves being super gutless, I realized on my last few waves that the board really responds much better when my weight is back a bit more and I'm really driving off of the fins and tail and working the board across sections as opposed to when my weight is forward and I'm trying to drive more off of the rail-middle and/or trying to more or less trim across the wave (bad habit of mine). Last wave in particular was about knee-thigh high and right as I jumped to my feet and planted my rear foot all the way back against the kick and drove hard off of the fins. The board got up and skated across a pretty soft section and then stood up a bit for a nice (felt great for me) bash on the end closeout section. Really noticeable how much better it went with my weight back a bit and working off of that tail.
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Board looks super fun for the crap we have right now. Just got out of the water on my sweet potato for the first time (perfect day to break it out) and I was happy to be on a groveler for sure, caught everything in site.
Quote: spy photo I snapped at the XTR facility when nobody was lookin'
That Orca looks insane. Stringerless XTR with carbon rails. Frothing. I believe it is a Japan only board
It looks like the Orca is made for small waves(from the one video I found on YouTube), I wonder how it's different from the Bottom Feeder/Überplank/Plank models?
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Hey guys. I havnt been on here in months, maybe not all last year even. Its good to see the interest ...stoked.
Yea, Our websites great for putting up news clips and stories daily , but the main frame pages like the boards are somthing that we need to source out each year to get updated. In the meantime, theres a news story up that shows higher res scans of the catalog on the site now.
The "Conquest" and "Fishquest" models are odd little things I came up with together with my good friend and Japan distributor Nishi. He was lookin for somthing that I could give to him exclusivley and not sell to any retailers in the USA. We played around and came up with the elevated wing. It is a twist on somthing Max McDonald was doing to his Bonzers in the early 90's when we were surfing and working together alot. Anyway, I can and will (Robbrunette) take orders CUSTOM ONLY for anyone interested in these designs.
I cant put them in shops. This is to give my diustributor an edge in competing with the Grey market of Japanese guys buying boards from US surf shops and sending them to Japan...hammering the distributors buisness. He also does a TON of XTR with us , because they are hard to find in US shops...thus it makes them have more value in Japan.
The boards were fun..flat and fast, but loose when up on the rail because of the hyper kicked rail rocker outside the wing. I prefer the bit of the swallows though myself and kinda felt like it was "too easy" to wiggle the rails with the lifted wing. The video clips are from one morning down at uppers , tried it as a quad and thruster and worked best as thruster. I would never use my surfing to sell boards and that fottage was intended for Japan only. The skinny legs, long arms and round belly are brutal to look at on video.
You need to wake up and smell the coffee same reason the golf industry panders to the Asian(Japanese) market. Money and a willingness to spend it on the most high tech, latest, greatest whatcamahoosie regardless of need or skill level
Matt's working on a potentially new model for US that would take plank groveling a step lower. The design makes more sense to me. Want an orca category fat piggy type board but don't want a plank or fattened up BF? Ask him about his new "lazy"...
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