bengiw
Grom
Reged: 04/11/12
Posts: 4
Loc: Coastal
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Definitely not pop outs I have surfed with the man himself and he is legit. I surfed the 5'4 ramp series in gutless 1 ft and it was a legit groveler really skatey and fast down the line. They will only get better and more refined.
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sozzle
Gerry Lopez status
Reged: 02/23/09
Posts: 964
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How did they feel weight wise donnie? Passable HP weights ?
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donniedarko
Michael Peterson status
Reged: 07/26/04
Posts: 2000
Loc: The Coast
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Weight was good. Hardly heavy but also not uber light. To me a nonissue. Im guessing but weight was below 7 lbs. Ive weighed many boards and found light off the rack boards in HPSB around my length 6'2"-6'4" are in the high 6's in weight and they flet about there. I did notice slight weight variations in each board weight. Smaller ones heavier then bigger ones speaking to the manuf process still getting sorted.
Dont get me wrong I liked them but Im not one to like a surfboard just by tech. If they go in the water that is my litmus test.
They definitely are boards built by snowboarders and despite Olson claiming being a shaper since the 70's-80's they dont have the contemporary refinement that other companies have. That said good on them for stepping up, and psyched to see them create their space in the industry. Just keeps things moving fwd... 
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donniedarko
Michael Peterson status
Reged: 07/26/04
Posts: 2000
Loc: The Coast
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Actually the fin box is cool... Lib is doing a proprietary fin too and the tab on that is similar to Lok Box they just assume an FCS fin tabs. One thing I dod not like was a lack of marking to denote fin placement ala Lok Box but that is why Sharpeez were made. The leash plug had an anodized aluminum barrel. trick. Seriously is Futures could make a fin box like this but to assume a Future fin and FCS it would be insane. Almost makes me want to get uninstalled Lib boxes and try router them out to fit.
I did throw in a M5 to see how it went and it was legit. No issue and on that side good on Lib for doing there own deal :fact
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What's the purpose of that big long fin box if it doesn't take futures? Using that thing on FCS fins is going to cause all kinds of gaps and problems.
I may swing by the shop to check 'em out...but the pics make the foiling look scary.
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I looked at them today. Very strange foils and rockers. Has to be seen to understand.
Build looks bomber. They shipped the boards in boxes with no packaging, boards punched through the boxes with little damage. The finish on the boards is ok. As pictured youll note if you can the lamination & board is off line. Seems these boards are bagged. Seen some FW's the same messed up QC.
Only board I liked was the waveskate looking one. The fin boxes are cool but the fact they dont accept FUT fins is a bummer. The concave decks are cool but also strange, Ive had a few and they go ok but they are different. The texalium rail is cool, and I suppose the boards are very strong.
Boards looked rushed but Ill cut them slack as they just realeased and the product will clean up over time. Would I buy one? Probably not til they get refined. Its an unproven quantity and materials dont mean shvt if the shape sucks.
Lastly the whole logo bullshvt on the bottom of the boards are pretty boo boo.
These aint snowboards, and they look obnoxious and busy.
Also almost no single concave on any of the boards. Look 80's style... Kind of odd
I hope to try one soon, follow up with my thoughts then
The lam here if you can tell is messed up. The hot coat looks 1-3mm off on the right then left like the board was shifted when bagged for lam.
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1lastwave
Grom
Reged: 11/08/10
Posts: 81
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ESpn article with pictures
Clicky here
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teleross
Grom
Reged: 03/21/09
Posts: 40
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Tech looks interesting, boards look odd.
And basalt an organic fiber??? 
anyhow, good on them for putting some new stuff out there into the mix
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Jacksonson
Grom
Reged: 03/19/11
Posts: 89
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Basalt is a form of igneous rock or natural volcanic material. In that regard it's organic.
Funny though. In it's spun fiber form, it's claimed to close to the stiffness of S-glass.
Kind of goes against the grain as far as Lib's aim towards flexibility.
More ECO friendly than fiberglass I suppose.
Maybe their resin system offsets this stiffer fabric.
I've read they use basalt it in some of their snowboards to stiffen them up, but this could be false.
Jack... 
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CraigGriff
Grom
Reged: 05/30/12
Posts: 59
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gheyest vid ever 
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donniedarko
Michael Peterson status
Reged: 07/26/04
Posts: 2000
Loc: The Coast
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Basalt is a form of igneous rock or natural volcanic material. In that regard it's organic.
Funny though. In it's spun fiber form, it's claimed to close to the stiffness of S-glass.
Kind of goes against the grain as far as Lib's aim towards flexibility.
More ECO friendly than fiberglass I suppose.
Maybe their resin system offsets this stiffer fabric.
I've read they use basalt it in some of their snowboards to stiffen them up, but this could be false.
Jack...
S Cloth as I understand is any stronger perse by material but due to round fiber bundles and number of fiber strands [considerably more] has better capillary action when laminated, also better saturation therefore better to squeegee and less resin therefore stronger. Less resin can make for stronger lam which is counter intuitive but apparently is the case. Sure some other could chime in here and verify or correct me here
The Resin Lib is using I was told was water based[?] and also is very thin and viscous compared to PY
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diverse
Legend (inyourownmind)
Reged: 04/20/06
Posts: 438
Loc: Gold Crowded coast Australia
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Basalt is a form of igneous rock or natural volcanic material. In that regard it's organic.
Funny though. In it's spun fiber form, it's claimed to close to the stiffness of S-glass.
Kind of goes against the grain as far as Lib's aim towards flexibility.
More ECO friendly than fiberglass I suppose.
Maybe their resin system offsets this stiffer fabric.
I've read they use basalt it in some of their snowboards to stiffen them up, but this could be false.
Jack...
S Cloth as I understand is any stronger perse by material but due to round fiber bundles and number of fiber strands [considerably more] has better capillary action when laminated, also better saturation therefore better to squeegee and less resin therefore stronger. Less resin can make for stronger lam which is counter intuitive but apparently is the case. Sure some other could chime in here and verify or correct me here
The Resin Lib is using I was told was water based[?] and also is very thin and viscous compared to PY
Basalt is browny grey in colour.. basalt is the rail reinforcement patches i use on my Dynocore Builds.. s-glass looks just like fibreglass..
if the resin used is being infused therefore it would have close to the viscosity of water...
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See What the Difference is at http://diversesurf.com.au
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Jacksonson
Grom
Reged: 03/19/11
Posts: 89
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S Cloth as I understand is any stronger perse by material but due to round fiber bundles and number of fiber strands [considerably more] has better capillary action when laminated, also better saturation therefore better to squeegee and less resin therefore stronger. Less resin can make for stronger lam which is counter intuitive but apparently is the case. Sure some other could chime in here and verify or correct me here
The Resin Lib is using I was told was water based[?] and also is very thin and viscous compared to PY
Check out this description and chart for composition of S glass vs E glass. http://sweetcomposites.com/Fabric.html
There is a definite difference chemically as well as different filliment size as you mention.
I believe S is also produced at higher temperatures as well..
The amount of resin absorption into the fibers, or lack of it, is not the reason S is 20 to 30% stronger than E-glass although the wet out effect you mention might be taking place as well.
Basalt wets out even better from what I've read and is said to be ideal for infusion.. Perhaps Diverse can chime in.
The Lib. promo vid. mentions they use basalt fabric. If it's brown/grey, then it's not on the entire boards surface. Unless they've found a clear version? Maybe they're referring to the rail patches as well?
Jackson..
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klynch
Nep status
Reged: 06/29/09
Posts: 677
Loc: A suburb of Indonesia.
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Like ...lost, they think their customers are stupid and market to them accordingly. For the most part they are correct.
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