retodd
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had my Buell out today for the fifth time . easy on easy of. super soft rubber. no pee stink. no leakedge . so far so good.
flexible? how well does the neck seal?
flex , it is the best of any i have tried and i have tried, oniell, aleada, xcel, boz, hyperflex, hotline, quicksilver, ripcurl. i have the 4-3 and it feels like my all 2mm ss xcel.
the neck " seal " . i have only noticed a trickle here or there . my xcel would let some in down the back of my neck and when paddling or duck diving , so did the hotline , so did the hyperflex. the HF was the worst because it would come in the sides also. i have a short neck and only the xcel was as comfortable , the others i had to roll the material inwards .
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Cittyfece
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Just questioning if eBay enables you to market concert tickets on the web? Do you know if you can find any restrictions based on what country you're in?
My parents have just referred to as me and asked if i could "get rid" of their two tickets to a concert as they wont have the ability to make it due to an additional family event.
Apart from asking buddies etc, i thought ebay would be a fantastic location to market them.
But whats ebay's policy on selling tickets? Ive heard alot about it on the news but ive forgotten what happened.
and if it matters, the concert is inside of this coming month
Thanks in advance for your advice.
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c_olden
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$775 for a Hurley wetsuit?
WTF?
http://blogs.surfermag.com/wetsuit-buyers-guide-2010/2010-2011-hurley-phantom-x-zip-wetsuit/
 
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bac0701
Legend (inyourownmind)
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ha thats nuts. im defintly impressed with hyperflex's suits this year.
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lorcar
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used my 3.2mm Xcel Xzip for first time today. It fits me well, but I realized it blocks water and avoids flushes when after I peed inside i didn't know how to get rid of it...
It's warm and well done, but I didn't think its flexibility is outstanding. Maybe because it was first session with wetsuit. I had already ordered a 4.3 Drylock (because after using a West Lotus I wanted to make sure wrists and ankle-seals would not fold over) but maybe an Xzip could have been enough. I suspect Ripcurl and West might be more flexible.
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ciscojaws
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This question is for the entire class:
If you had to choose a 4/3 O'neill, which would you get? Psychofreak, Psycho 1 or 2, or the Mutant?
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bac0701
Legend (inyourownmind)
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how cold are you going down to. i have a 2 p2 great suits get a little heavy though
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ciscojaws
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how cold are you going down to. i have a 2 p2 great suits get a little heavy though
Mid Atlantic winter. Lowest would be mid-40s.
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bac0701
Legend (inyourownmind)
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yeah go p2 then. i surfed all winter in mine here in nj.
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davidavr
Grom
Reged: 11/02/05
Posts: 66
Loc: Israel
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Did any body here try the new Oneill RG8?
I need to get a new 3/2 wetsuit and trying to decide between the new RG8 and the new Psycho 2.
The coldest the water gets here is in the high 50's usually it doesn't get colder than 60.
My last 4 suits had chest zips, the only con I have against the P2 is the back zip, does the back zip effect the flexability ?
Thanks
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a2tall212
Grom
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My line up currently:
3/2 e-bomb SUPER flexible; keeps me warm enough through november def one of the best flexiblity suits out there. chest seems starting to wear. still water tight going on 3 seasons
4/3 f-bomb really warm through december good mobility (con is the back zip will be replacing next season with hyperflex)4 seasons
5/4/3 mutant, AWESOME versatility hooded non hooded good warmth flex great suit. really impressed. 1 season
2mm xcel slx spring suit. its a spring suit.... flexy sure most 2mm are. 3 seasons still a solid suit
.5 mm hooded ripcurl layer for cold days
1mm powertop rip curl e-bomb great for layering and keeping you insolutated.
Quicksilver Cypher heated vest for XTREME Days and to get you that extra 30 mins. Really great idea. Wicken material to help keep you dry and warm. good fit. and 116+ F is nice on your back and kidney area to cirulate blood.
I am definietly going for hyperflex for my next set of suits
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c_olden
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anyone else less than stoked with the Xcel Ininiti Drylock 4/3?
I like how warm it is, but am less than thrilled with how much
water it soaks up during a session, and the cat piss smell that
despite a good rinsing after each session the suit seems to
cultivate.(I've even taken to running the damn suit through
the hand wash/gentle cycle in the washing machine)
i'll keep my xcel as a back up, by i'm going back to wearing
my Matuse.
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9ten
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Loc: NJ
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you know with all these companies and options, i might just go back to rip curl since they fit me the best. my core fireskin 3/2 is from 2006 and i'm still wearing it. i sent it back once and had it repaired and recently i had to patch it up but it still does the trick and it's not super stiff. the interior liquid tape on an fbomb hooded 5/4/3 failed on me and that's when i started trying other suits. i liked my boz and still like my 5/4 hotline but since i can't try them on locally, it's a crap shoot to get the right fit for the next one. ie. my last hotline 4/3 didn't fit like the 5mil so i sold it. i must be getting older or wiser but i'm starting to accept the saying "if it ain't broke don't fix it". i think the proper fit has alot to do with not only keeping you warm and flexible but also the durability as i'm not clawing on it to get in/out of.
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Oceanslide
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Loc: Oceanside, CA
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Recently got my replacement 4/3/2 Matuse back-zip and have
worn it twice now. I'm a size XL, and this one fits great...
much less restrictive than the last one. Was told there
is a touch less more room in the shoulders due to the cut,
but also feels like the materials are a bit more stretchy
and buttery. Really comfortable and I was too warm both
sessions since the water warmed up. The neck closure (velcro flap)
attaches lower on the neck as well which is much more
comfortable and doesn't bunch up or get rolled, while still
sealing out any leakage very well.
So far, I'm stoked on the new version!
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winwin
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This cold weather makes me wanna look for a new suit....
Looking for the warmth of a 4:3, but the flexibility of a 3:2.
Current line up is a matuse hoplite 4.3.2 and a 3.2 xcel....I know the mat use is gonna fall apart sometime this winter, wanna be prepared.
Any good sales out this week? I want a good suit and looking to spend around 3 handy. Recommendations needed.
Win win
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retodd
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a 4-3 buell , mine was 3 plus tax / shipping
if not go to froghouse with 3 and u will get a good one too, drylock or a quick cypher
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nkpheous
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if you like you matuse but want to try something similar i would look into these
http://www.surfisurus.com/
the i-elite 343 suit looks like a good socal winter suit
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retodd
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those look nice !
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Havoc
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those look rad! hmmm, that or a buell 4/3? I'm in the hunt for a 4/3 since my patag. r3 is much too stiff even after less than 1/2 of a season. very warm but i can't paddle with it on.
decisions decisions... can't wait for payday!
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retodd
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they both look good
they put together a nice website too
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heelnipstr
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if you like you matuse but want to try something similar i would look into these
http://www.surfisurus.com/
the i-elite 343 suit looks like a good socal winter suit
I tried on the e-lite and the e-vade. What I found out.
Both seem very well made, better than my Matuse.
The e-lite is just as light and the fit is very snug. The removable hood is nice. It has a couple strings/bungie cords on the chest that are a bit odd but...maybe for cinching?
The e-vade seems like it would be much warmer and durable. Not as much stretchy material and more rubber.
I was ready to pull the trigger on either, kept going back between wanting more warmth or flexibility. Didn't matter in the end I fell right in the middle of one of their size recommendations. I gave the owner my specs and what kind and suits I wear/size. He said he just dropped off my size(e-vade) to the shop down the street for the owner to try. I know him and went to check it out. He said he tried it but found it to much of a pain to get he feet through. I tried it(left my socks on) and couldn't get it up to my shoulders to get my arms through.
Told the owner my experience, he said he would drop off another size(e-lite) that should fit. Closer fit but much tighter than my Matuse was at first and it was a greater bitch getting into. Told the guy and he said that is all he had and is expecting a new shipment mid-November. Asked about warranty since I didn't see it on the site and he said 'industry standard'.
Have to pull the trigger this week, prob. go with the Pat R3 mainly for the warmth and warranty. I don't want another 1 year wonder hyped suit.
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Havoc
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if you like you matuse but want to try something similar i would look into these
http://www.surfisurus.com/
the i-elite 343 suit looks like a good socal winter suit
I tried on the e-lite and the e-vade. What I found out.
Both seem very well made, better than my Matuse.
The e-lite is just as light and the fit is very snug. The removable hood is nice. It has a couple strings/bungie cords on the chest that are a bit odd but...maybe for cinching?
The e-vade seems like it would be much warmer and durable. Not as much stretchy material and more rubber.
I was ready to pull the trigger on either, kept going back between wanting more warmth or flexibility. Didn't matter in the end I fell right in the middle of one of their size recommendations. I gave the owner my specs and what kind and suits I wear/size. He said he just dropped off my size(e-vade) to the shop down the street for the owner to try. I know him and went to check it out. He said he tried it but found it to much of a pain to get he feet through. I tried it(left my socks on) and couldn't get it up to my shoulders to get my arms through.
Told the owner my experience, he said he would drop off another size(e-lite) that should fit. Closer fit but much tighter than my Matuse was at first and it was a greater bitch getting into. Told the guy and he said that is all he had and is expecting a new shipment mid-November. Asked about warranty since I didn't see it on the site and he said 'industry standard'.
Have to pull the trigger this week, prob. go with the Pat R3 mainly for the warmth and warranty. I don't want another 1 year wonder hyped suit.
+1 on the warranty dealio. I'm gonna go with buell... attempt #2 on getting my lime green+black 4/3 buell in 3 2 1... (waiting for their new shipment)
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lorcar
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anyone else less than stoked with the Xcel Ininiti Drylock 4/3?
I like how warm it is, but am less than thrilled with how much
water it soaks up during a session, and the cat piss smell that
despite a good rinsing after each session the suit seems to
cultivate.(I've even taken to running the damn suit through
the hand wash/gentle cycle in the washing machine)
same experience here, with Xcel Xzip 3/2 (but I also own a Drylock 4/3, not tested yet).
It smells  (I always rinse it after a session) and it dries very slowly.
It's definitely warm, and I am sure the drylock will be even better, but I dont think the flexibility is outstanding or superior to other brands'.
If only West could work a bit on their size/fitting I'd definitely be a loyal customer, they are supple and warm. Also Ripcul entices me a lot, but I am scared about their durability.
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rid
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tried out the 3/2 2010 drylock for the first time. pretty snug fit in the feet/arms. a little bit loose in the chest area. maybe should have gone with an MT. a little bit of leakage in the neck from the seal. felt much warmer than the 3/2 xflex but not as warm as my 3mm gato heroi. b+
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retodd
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xcel and the stink = no thanx for me
to get them to dry faster i would fold a towel around it and press on it . still takes a week to dry
buell compared to xcel wins hands down in every aspect.
hearing about the difficulty getting in an isrus (sp) = no thanx , i would just get a 5-4 buell . easy on and off , no stink , no smoothie , durable , good warranty , good customer service.
i hope buell does well !
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Havoc
Tom Curren status
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wore my patagonia r3 today and was toasty warm but that suit is just way way too stiff after only 1/2 season of use. I think the ones from this year are improved. If I would do it again, I'd get the r3 chest zip since they have a bit more room and are more flexible. I'm only 5'10 and 160lbs and the medium r3 feels too snug in the shoulders... then again I'm pretty Loc'd.
the r2 from this season is badass... super warm and flexible, love it!!
my search for another 4/3 resumes... buell here I come!
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silentbutdeadly
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First session today with the 2010 3/2 Drylock. Fit seems good, in fact I forgot how much a suit stretches out over time (comparing it to my 1.5 season old Xzip). Neck seal is amazing, I took some pretty awkward falls today and not a drop entered the suit. The arms and legs seal much better than the Xzip and the new hollow chest stayed really dry throughout my 2 hour session.
Initial impression was great, we'll see how she holds up.
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Kman
Legend (inyourownmind)
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Between me and my two boys we seen a few wetsuits lately. Here is a run down of our experiences.
Hotline - 3/2 Phoenix (me) 3/2 Freebird (my oldest). Both suits started coming apart immediately after the first session. On the phoenix the crotch and the neck unravelled. On the Free bird the crotch unraveled and the key holder just fell off. Both were sent back for repairs. My phoenix barely lasted a season. The metalic tape was worthless. The Freebird was purchased recently and is still back for repairs (1 week of surfing) 4 weeks at hotline. Will probably never buy a hotline again after these two suits.
Body glove - I picked up a 2m short sleeve full suit vapor flex at the chicks going out of business sale. The last body glove I had was a POS but that was 20 years ago or more. This suit is super stretchy, comfy and very warm. Great suit and for two seasons the suit is still sealed and in perfect shape.
O'neill - Bought my oldest a 4/3 heat a few years ago. He is on his school surf team so the suit saw a lot of use. great durability. The cons are that is not as stretchy as the newer suits and its a little heavier. We've also had some of the kids size reactors and those were super durable for the boys when they were little. Good suit for a growing kids who may grow out of it with in months.
Xcel - My youngest has a 3/2 Xzip ($50 for kids sizes on Back country right now). Great suit, well made and plenty warm for the little guy. For the oldest we picked up a 4/3 superflex on sale (needed to buy another suit since we are still waiting on hotline). Only two sessions in it so far, but this is his favorite suit. Time will tell on the seams.
Rip curl - I owned tons of rip curls through the years. Living close to trestles I've been getting suits from the outlet back to the days when the outlet was above the store. My current suit is a 4/3 E bomb pro. Super flexible comfy and warm. The construction is similar to the body glove vapor flex (blind stitched and glued). So far its rock solid. And if there are any problems I can take it back to the outlet and they'll send it out for repair for me. The turn around has always been quick when ever I've done this. No complaints with rip curls.
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Aruka
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9 Months in on a head-to-toe Xcel Drylok set and thought I'd give a little "long term" review.
The 5 mil booties are probably the best fitting booties I've worn and I like the split toe design as it seems to keep my feet from slipping around inside the boots themselves which has been a problem for me in the past. The pull tabs on the heel both ripped out about 4 months in, leaving gaping holes which I repaired. The pull tabs are useless, they are not even sewn to anything. The turtle shoes are developing other holes now and the repairs are failing. They no longer keep my feet toasty and they fill with water. Still, I'd probably buy these again if I could get a decent price since they were so nice for the first half a year.
I learned the hard way to buy gloves that are really snug when new because they will soon stretch out and leave you with balloon hands which is definitely not conducive to high performance surfing. I got the 3mil Medium Drylok gloves this time and for the first 4-5 months they were great. They are completely shredded now, holes in the wrists of both and seam separation between the fingers. I'm going to attempt a repair if I can ever get them dry (not complaining, the surf has been epic).
The 5/4 Drylok suit (2010) is actually holding up better than the gloves and booties. It stinks and it never seems to dry out and it weighs more than I do but it still keeps me pretty warm. No tears or holes to be found and only occasionally does an arm or a leg get folded up when I wipe out. It doesn't flush much unless I forget to cinch things up before I paddle out. I've surfed a lot since I've owned this suit and it has served me well. That said, I always rinse my gear off after a surf, shampoo it every few sessions and hang it properly in the shade so lasting 9 months is really nothing spectacular and I think it's kind of sad that the bar is still set so low on wetsuit durability.
Overall this stuff was pretty much what I expected. Xcel suits are great when new and they fit me well which is why I've always bought them (actually, the wholesale price I can get probably has a bit to do with it too) but they don't last much over a year and they are as heavy and stinky as a wet sponge.
I'm definitely going to be looking at other options for a new suit this year. I'll probably buy another pair of ninja turtle booties, if only for the style factor, but I'm hoping I can find some better gloves and a lighter more durable suit to keep me warm this coming spring/summer.
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fishtank
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I dig the Xcel booties but have had bad experience with their suits. Zipper busted on my 4/3 drylock and the top half of my 2 mil short arm full ripped while i was putting it on
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Victimclothing
Legend (inyourownmind)
Reged: 08/03/08
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Loc: Flat FL
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I have an 09 xcel drylock and really like it very warm and comfortable but not as flexible as others. I'm sure the newer drylocks are more flexible. The durability seems good but I surf in FL and we Don't get as much surf and we o my need the suits for 4 or 5 months out of the year.
I just ordered a new Oneill Psychofreak 2.5 /3.5 because last year the water dipped into the high 40's! And I'm a wuss & need a warm suit for jan, water is already 55' I'll give a review on this $500 suit I just got wholesale.
www.victimboardart.com
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silentbutdeadly
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A nice ShShhshsshshsshhshhshhhh review of the patagucci's:
http://shlens.blogspot.com/2010/12/patagonia-wetsuits-preview.html
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Havoc
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A nice ShShhshsshshsshhshhshhhh review of the patagucci's:
http://shlens.blogspot.com/2010/12/patagonia-wetsuits-preview.html
shshshshshsh's review is just a wee bit biased 
this seasons patagucci suits are the best so far and likely the most durable and stretchiest (relative since its' not that flexible). My new 2010 backzip r2 is rad, I love it!! my 2009 r3 backzip is warm but much too stiff so I'm looking for a replacement.
Right now it's a tossup between a patagucci r3 chest zip (these have more room in the torso than the backzip) and a buell 4/3. Buell is a bit tough to deal with lately since I can never get color availability from them and no call back. So we'll see what pans out this week. One thing I do like is how rock solid patagonia's warranty is.
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littlewave
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Loc: Orange County
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Going on a year with my Patagonia R2. Worn it almost all year with the cold summer we had. Suit is holding up just fine, when I had a seam issue they just mailed me some seam glue so I didn't have to hassle with sending the suit out and being without it. Still as warm as the day I bought it. I think my favorite part is how fast they dry, even sitting outside or when it's cold. The wool is almost always dry the next morning. Any issues with the lack of smooth skin and wind on the new ones?
I'd buy another, but probably chest zip, as the back zip, like all back zips, is a little constricting.
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Havoc
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Going on a year with my Patagonia R2. Worn it almost all year with the cold summer we had. Suit is holding up just fine, when I had a seam issue they just mailed me some seam glue so I didn't have to hassle with sending the suit out and being without it. Still as warm as the day I bought it. I think my favorite part is how fast they dry, even sitting outside or when it's cold. The wool is almost always dry the next morning. Any issues with the lack of smooth skin and wind on the new ones?
I'd buy another, but probably chest zip, as the back zip, like all back zips, is a little constricting.
I didn't notice too much of a difference but I noticed the new ones are more flexible without it.
correct about the chest zip having more room. My r3 backzip is too constricting (09' model) but my r2 backzip feels pretty spot on fit wise (10' model). I think an r3 chest zip is gonna be the bomb!!
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littlewave
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I'll probably get an R3 chest sometime late winter spring if I can score a deal. Probably gonna be needing the extra rubber this winter. There were some days last spring where the R2 just wasn't enough for northern la. 
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saltydog1963
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Thought about the Buell until I saw his vids...
Christ almighty what a manhole.
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three_rolled
Legend (inyourownmind)
Reged: 07/18/05
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Loc: LA
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Here's a mini review of my new R3 chest zip. Its the fourth patagonia suit i've owned in roughly 3-4 years. But only the second suit i've paid for. The newer generation patagonia suits are really good. I've got 2 seasons on my R2 and it is in great condition. The only problem is that the neoprene in the neck has stretched out quite a bit so it is not quite as warm.
My new R3 Chest Zip is INSANELY warm. Too warm, really. I upgraded from the R2 because i had many winter days where I was cold. But there seems to be a very big difference between the R2 and R3. I found the R2 to be warmer than a conventional 3/2, but not quite as warm as a 4/3. Warmthwise, the R3, seems to be somewhere in between a 4/3 and a 5/4/3
The past two days i have been roasting in my R3 with 62 degree air temps and 56 degree water temps (estimated).
If anyone is debating between the 2 suits, beware of how warm this suit is. I have emailed back and forth with the guy who I think is in charge of the Patagonia wetsuit line (Jason McCafferey, i think) regarding some QC issues with prior suits (the older ones that were all smooth skin in the upper body). I am going to suggest that patagonia make an R2/3, where they use the 3 mm in the body only and 2 mm everywhere else.
What i found with the R2 is that i could dress it up with booties, a hood, and/or a fleece vest underneath and i could make myself pretty comfortable (i.e., warm). With the R3 there is no way to make the suit any cooler.
I find myself surfing without booties just because my core is so warm. A hood is out of the question -- i feel like i would sweat to death with a hood...
That being said, i am sure that there will be days this winter when the R3 will come in handy. For example, right after the water turned over to the high 40's, i was just fine in the R3 and booties. I had one day with possibly 50 degree water temps and 54 degree air temps (no sun at all), lots of south wind and i was toasty!
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winwin
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appreciate the new R3 review...i was gonna mosey on down to the froghouse and pick one up.
to anyone who had patagonia suits, do you think the chest zip is the way to go? or stick with the back zip because i heard they are more durable....
win win
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Havoc
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appreciate the new R3 review...i was gonna mosey on down to the froghouse and pick one up.
to anyone who had patagonia suits, do you think the chest zip is the way to go? or stick with the back zip because i heard they are more durable....
win win
try both on but my vote goes to the chest since it has more room and you're pretty buff 
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