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So a few on here have posted threads about their Coil boards, and a few have occasionally commented about their Coils on other threads, but overall there is very little discussion here on the erBB about these. Every single review I've read about them (mostly on Sways) has been overwhelmingly positive, both from a ride and durability standpoint. So, if you have a Coil, or have had one in the past, post up! Pictures, reviews, overall experiences...whatever. If you're not familiar with 'em at all, read through this thread to hear the Swaylocks crew's thoughts: Coil Ride Reports from Sways
I will be placing an order for one myself very soon...
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Oceansliding
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I really liked mine, the things that really stand out are:
- load up on carves, the board bends, then shoots you, made my roundhouses better than ever
- durability was ridiculous, I got mine with glass-ons, saw it come through the oversize items door at the airport with size 14 boot prints all over it, not a ding. The board is ridiculously strong, and I haven't ever worried about it on flights
- Mike Daniels puts the volume measurement on the boards. That is invaluable especially since I lost a lot of weight since then.
I'll be ordering a Coil again for sure
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I've never heard anything bad against these boards. Alot of shapers in FL are doing these but I don't think anyone has the process down like Brasingtons.
I've only had the opportunity to ride it a few times. So it still a little hard to give a real in depth review.But the the few I've had have been pretty good .Over all seems to have good drive and butter smooth round house cutties.rode it as a quad once,but it felt over finned.Again that was only one session and I didn't have an opportunity to adjust the fins so take that with a grain of salt.Ridden twice set up Griffinesq 5 fin.So far I like this set up much better than the quad(the quad are also Griffins again w/ only one session and not to many waves)Boards is a decent paddler but by no means a paddling beast,again could just need more time on it.I think most Coils are foiled fairly thin Dims:6'8" x19 3/4" x 2 3/4"
On a side bar: 100% hand made in the US my board shaped by Mike Daniels Glass/construction by the Brasington bros. Kirk Brasington also an accomplished shaper Shaping for some east coast pros(if you care about those things) A google search of Kirk came up with this youtube vid I have no idea if Chris ward is riding a Coil(lost) or not don't shoot the messenger
I'm trying to convince Mike Daniel to join the fray over here...we'll see. I know a couple posters have multiple Coils now and would love to see them post up their thoughts here.
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Racerx63
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Quote: I've only had the opportunity to ride it a few times. So it still a little hard to give a real in depth review.But the the few I've had have been pretty good .Over all seems to have good drive and butter smooth round house cutties.rode it as a quad once,but it felt over finned.Again that was only one session and I didn't have an opportunity to adjust the fins so take that with a grain of salt.Ridden twice set up Griffinesq 5 fin.So far I like this set up much better than the quad(the quad are also Griffins again w/ only one session and not to many waves)Boards is a decent paddler but by no means a paddling beast,again could just need more time on it.I think most Coils are foiled fairly thin Dims:6'8" x19 3/4" x 2 3/4"
Retodd has two coils. i tried his widerboard once (6'2" roundtail thruster dealio). felt really good under my feet right off the bat. made me immediately want one. teh board also looks just right.
Todd definitely has the experience with these boards I hope he'll chin in think he uses H2(10°) up front and Stretch in the rears a ripper for sure good guy for feed back
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I know Todd has a couple...he's given me most of the info. that pushed me over the edge into ordering one (yes pgr, it's a done deal ). Hopefully he'll give a review of both here. I think hackeysacky (sp?) has had a couple as well. Paging those two...
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Not to Hijak, and I know it's a done deal. Why not try out Proctor? Great shaper and seems to have some similar tech. No shipping. With that being said, I would live to give a Coil a whirl myself.
I have a number of coils and posted a lot on them at Sways. I'm really busy at the moment but will chime in here when things settle down. Until then, check that Coil Ride Reports thread and check out my original review of my Coil #1 some time ago:
Check out the videos, including the one on construction at the bottom. I've always thought these were real interesting and he does a great job explaining himself and the boards he makes.
I don't live in Ventura, so I personally don't know what his reputation is like, be he's seems to be on top of his craft.
I had two Proctor 'Proxy' boards not long ago. A Falcon, which is a REALLY good board, and a Big Chief, which was just OK, IMO. Completely different deal than a Coil, although very impressive as well. Let's keep this thread on topic and back to Coils please.
-------------------- "Surfing reminds us of how good life is."
Oceansliding
i have two coils , one round tail widerboard at 6-2 x 19 x1/4 x 2 1/4. flash back fish at 5-8 x 19 1/2 x 2 3/16. i am 6-1 170ish. decent ability and have been surfing 20 years.
pics at swalocks on page 12 .
first up widerboard, so i am lurking on sways and see the coils, they look bitchen and that gets my attention. start reading and everyone has good stuff to say. ok send an email to mike d and ask a few ? how much, how long, what is the grid looking stuff, blah blah blah. so i tell him about the boards i have been surfing on lately, and what i want out of a board, where i normaly surf , newps and trestles, once in blue moon creek, blacks, rincon, o side. WB is the call.
paypal goes through and 28 days later they are ready for the balance. i was like WTF you told me one month and it was actually one month. few days later the Masonite taco shows up. unwrap it and crap my pants. first off sofaking white, clean outline the grid stuff looks way better than it did on the computer, blah blah.
first day out it felt good but the waves were kinda crappy so whatever. next few times out at uppers i got a better feel , could tune into the flex out of the bottom turns , the snap in the direction changes, the absorption of energy when landing floaters, most of all how easy it paddles into waves!! now fast forward a little ,i had not surfed any of my other boards in months , nice south comes in so i decide to take out my channel bottom from my local shaper. it felt super stiff and unresponsive, slow ( what ) , just way funky. next day back to the WB and it was like oh hell yeah, this is the what im talking about, everything you want a board to do and feel like.
i have traded off with many people in the water, all positive remarks when they try it. Rid put it very well when he said it captures the energy of the wave so easy. also everyone who feels it says the same thing about the rails, " these rails feel good "
flash back fish, 5-8 x 19 1/2 x 2 3/16 3 sessions so far cottons last saturday, so fun , bigger than i expected . board surfed good in the overhead conditions. good float for the lower volume, even faster off the take off than the WB, looser backside, ridiculous speed frontside , good first sesh. round 2 sunday the 14th. blackies , fvcking crowded , but got some good ones , no real chances to bust a move or two because of crowd.
round 3 tuesday at 28th, low tide little drainers. board does good in the barrel, super fast, turns on a dime, throws a shite load of water in the turns. i love this board, i am actually looking forward to surfing mushburgers again
only reson i would get a board other than a coil would be , a hull , they dont make them a longboard, they dont make them a gun over 7 foot , they dont make them
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i have two coils , one round tail widerboard at 6-2 x 19 x1/4 x 2 1/4. flash back fish at 5-8 x 19 1/2 x 2 3/16. i am 6-1 170ish. decent ability and have been surfing 20 years.
pics at swalocks on page 12 .
first up widerboard, so i am lurking on sways and see the coils, they look bitchen and that gets my attention. start reading and everyone has good stuff to say. ok send an email to mike d and ask a few ? how much, how long, what is the grid looking stuff, blah blah blah. so i tell him about the boards i have been surfing on lately, and what i want out of a board, where i normaly surf , newps and trestles, once in blue moon creek, blacks, rincon, o side. WB is the call.
paypal goes through and 28 days later they are ready for the balance. i was like WTF you told me one month and it was actually one month. few days later the Masonite taco shows up. unwrap it and crap my pants. first off sofaking white, clean outline the grid stuff looks way better than it did on the computer, blah blah.
first day out it felt good but the waves were kinda crappy so whatever. next few times out at uppers i got a better feel , could tune into the flex out of the bottom turns , the snap in the direction changes, the absorption of energy when landing floaters, most of all how easy it paddles into waves!! now fast forward a little ,i had not surfed any of my other boards in months , nice south comes in so i decide to take out my channel bottom from my local shaper. it felt super stiff and unresponsive, slow ( what ) , just way funky. next day back to the WB and it was like oh hell yeah, this is the what im talking about, everything you want a board to do and feel like.
i have traded off with many people in the water, all positive remarks when they try it. Rid put it very well when he said it captures the energy of the wave so easy. also everyone who feels it says the same thing about the rails, " these rails feel good "
flash back fish, 5-8 x 19 1/2 x 2 3/16 3 sessions so far cottons last saturday, so fun , bigger than i expected . board surfed good in the overhead conditions. good float for the lower volume, even faster off the take off than the WB, looser backside, ridiculous speed frontside , good first sesh. round 2 sunday the 14th. blackies , fvcking crowded , but got some good ones , no real chances to bust a move or two because of crowd.
round 3 tuesday at 28th, low tide little drainers. board does good in the barrel, super fast, turns on a dime, throws a shite load of water in the turns. i love this board, i am actually looking forward to surfing mushburgers again
only reson i would get a board other than a coil would be , a hull , they dont make them a longboard, they dont make them a gun over 7 foot , they dont make them
I also own two Coils and I could not have described my experiences better than this.
Mike Daniel is such an easy shaper to work with. He listens and is able to translate the mish mosh of ideas you regurgitate out to him into the most amazing boards that out-perform your own expectations and abilities. The combination of his craftsmanship and the Coil process results in boards that are so lively and responsive you will not want to ride anything else. Other than my bonzers from Malcolm I have no reason to go to any shaper other than Mike.
This is blend of the widerboard and qualifier. The board blows my mind. I make drops and stick turns i never could before on this board.
Mike and Kirk went out of their way to ship this board to me at a hotel in Northern California so I could surf it on my trip down the coast. Both really great guys to work with. If you're on the fence about where to order your next board, I highly recommend giving Mike a call.
Well as the owner 3 coils I feel that I have a pretty good handle on how they perform.First of all Mike is a great shaper and he really prides himself in what he does and he is really into giving his customer the best board.Second is that the coil tech absolutely has made a difference not just for me but for friends that have coils themselves.The boards just seem to stay under your feet damn good.Third thing is that I never worry about pulling into some barrel and thinking if I don't make will my board come up in 2 pieces.They aren't indestructable but they hold up like no other board I have ever had.
I have had 2 sunovas,2 firewires and regular epoxies and they can't hold a candle to what a CUSTOM HAND SHAPED COIL has done for my fun time.
I currently have a widerboard on order right now and it should be done soon.I can't wait!So if you want a board that makes you have more fun then in my opinion you can't go wrong with getting a coil!
I would post pics but I am computer handicapped.If somebody could post them for me I can email them to you.
There will be 4 more of these in SoCal in a month or so with a recent order placed. I'm sure a few erBBers will have some reports to offer up shortly after that.
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Oceansliding
Quote: Well as the owner 3 coils I feel that I have a pretty good handle on how they perform.First of all Mike is a great shaper and he really prides himself in what he does and he is really into giving his customer the best board.Second is that the coil tech absolutely has made a difference not just for me but for friends that have coils themselves.The boards just seem to stay under your feet damn good.Third thing is that I never worry about pulling into some barrel and thinking if I don't make will my board come up in 2 pieces.They aren't indestructable but they hold up like no other board I have ever had.
I have had 2 sunovas,2 firewires and regular epoxies and they can't hold a candle to what a CUSTOM HAND SHAPED COIL has done for my fun time.
I currently have a widerboard on order right now and it should be done soon.I can't wait!So if you want a board that makes you have more fun then in my opinion you can't go wrong with getting a coil!
I would post pics but I am computer handicapped.If somebody could post them for me I can email them to you.
-------------------- "Surfing reminds us of how good life is."
Oceansliding
Thanks for posting up the pics for me Oceanslide.I have a widerboard to pick up this weekend.I can hardly wait to go get it! I think it would be great to see a griffin coil colaboration.
Maybe we'll get a DK/Coil mash-up...or a Zamora/Coil or Stamps/Coil, or Lovelace/Coil, or Campbell Bros/Coil, or... Seems to me the people that have mastered this build, that being the Brasingtons and Mike Daniel, have it pretty wired and are doing just great as it is. Who knows though...
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Oceansliding
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A little of what I know from speaking with Mike Daniel...
Coil used to collaborate with a few labels: some preliminary stuff with ...lost, some boards with Nielson and Cannibal (where do you think Cannibal got the "inspiration" for their Core-vac boards?), and, most publicly, WRV.
They are now doing their own thing (everything in-house) under their own label, and content doing so. I can't say whether or not they might reconsider that in the future, though. Guess you never know.
Oh yeah, I do know that the Coil guys love side-by-side testing with Firewires; the results are pretty much always in their favor (I can attest; while I really liked my past Firewires, I like my Coils more).
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The stubby one is referred to as an "M-80", one of MD's designs. I'll cut-and-paste the description of it from the swaylocks thread if/when I get a chance.
I have one on order right now. I'm 6'0" 180-190 and MD recommended a 5'8"
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I'm riding a friend's 6'8" x 20 3/4 x 2 7/8 widerboard with an H2 quad setup in it.
even though this is a bit longer and narrower than my usual boards, it was killing it this morning in the mushy takeoff to inside racetrack on the falling tide at the local beachies. I was really please with how well the board paddled and picked up waves.
I got to load it up on a nice frontside peak and had the same experience I had the first time I got my feet over griffin's 5-fin...full on acceleration, leaving me behind. really responsive...I set up a couple really nice lippers front side and had a few backside waves with successive loaded bottom turns to top turns (indian name: watches his own spray).
I'm hoping to get one at this volume, just 4" shorter and a hair wider.
short summary: rugged board, lively ride.
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The short board to the left is the m-80.M is for Mike and 80 is for the 80's template that Mike used for the template.After seeing all the short wider boards from different shapers I called Mike and asked him to shape me something similar but with his own input and what I got was another great board.The only thing is you have to dial in the fins since the rail line is so short.I use the fam1 future fins and it works. I just pickedup new board from Mike this morning and I will have Oceanslide post them for me if he doesn't mind.Its like his widerboard but slightly different.It looks fuchn good!!
So it looks as though the dims on my round-tail Widerboard will be something like 6'4" x 20 3/8" x 2 5/8ish. Exact width/thickness will depend to some extent on the overall volume when it's cut. 5-fin convertible setup. Cannot wait to get my paws on that thing. Not sure what the others that ordered at the same time are going with, but there should be some good porn to share when that package arrives.
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Oceansliding
stoked for you j. i'm not one of "the others" but i just ordered a flashback fish 5'11x20x2.5 but really foiled down rails and tail similar to the one i got to see last week. should come out something like this
I'm getting a 5'9 x 19 1/8 x 2 1/8 swallow quad widerboard (I'm probably half your weight). Mine is for mushy Trestles, so I'm pretty sure I'll never ride it as a thruster.
Nope, that site is it, but you can get more info on one-off customs and informal "models" at the Coil thread at swaylocks.com
The Coil guys tend to do everything (boards, website, sales, etc.) in-house, and they are super busy making boards at the moment, so the website progress is slow/on hold for the moment, although there is some talk about getting the springfish, M80, and maybe the "flashback" board sub-line on the site when time permits.
PS- I am not an official PR guy for Coil, but have developed a good working relationship/friendship with Mike, so I probably know a bit more about their ops than the average outsider.
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do you know when the fish fry is ? that would be a good time to meet up with all the coils ? is your widerboard coming by its self or did you get someone to order with you ?
do you know when the fish fry is ? that would be a good time to meet up with all the coils ? is your widerboard coming by its self or did you get someone to order with you ?
I don't know that there are any events planned yet. It would be cool to see a bunch of different Coil designs in one place though. I placed an order with 3 others, all who post on here, so there should be no shortage of porn when that order comes in.
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Oceansliding
I believe 4-6 weeks from the order. Mike needs to register on here to chime in on some of the questions being asked, me thinks. No shortage of devoted customers though, it seems.
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Oceansliding
Quote: I believe 4-6 weeks from the order. Mike needs to register on here to chime in on some of the questions being asked, me thinks. No shortage of devoted customers though, it seems.
Should be about 3 weeks out, according to MD...which would be about 5 weeks total. Pretty good, IMO.
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Oceansliding
Quote: I'm getting a 5'9 x 19 1/8 x 2 1/8 swallow quad widerboard (I'm probably half your weight). Mine is for mushy Trestles, so I'm pretty sure I'll never ride it as a thruster.
When you get your new board, If you ever want to meet up and try a 5'7 Tomo twin, pics here tomo twin would love to trade boards for a session.
No idea...don't know if it's been cut yet or not. I'm interested to see what it comes to compared to some of the other volume #s I've seen posted on Sways and here.
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Oceansliding
No idea...don't know if it's been cut yet or not. I'm interested to see what it comes to compared to some of the other volume #s I've seen posted on Sways and here.
According to MD, it's come out to 1.22 cu.ft. (34.5 liters).
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Oceansliding
sounds good to me , cant wait to here how you like it. your reviews on boards are written well and i am sure this one will give you lots to write about. classifieds might have some new additions as well
i think N4S has a 6-8 around the same volume .
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i usually order a board and forget about it until it arrives. not this one i'm tempted to just put in a widerboard order in now because i know i'm going to get one anyway
wait until after the sacred craft , get some fresh ideas while you are there take pics and notes , then email mike and get it going, if not you will have a board on order and want something different. or you could buy my widerboard when i get back from hawaii?
ah yes the widerboard. freaking amazing board. i'll have one in a couple of days and a flashback fish in a couple of weeks. i had a 3hr session a few weeks back on a 6'2 WB at the creek. the waves were head high and good so i got to get a good feel for it. the board is 2 1/4 thick which is normally anorexic for me but it gets into waves surprisingly easy and paddles well. all i can say is holy sh!t this board's got some serious twang to it. i'm not very good at reviewing boards, but bottom line the board comes out of turns with more speed than any board i've ever had. the board is just so smooth. i wish i would've had a board like this on past surf trips. there's quite a few boards in my quiver that will never see the water after that session. i'll have some boards in the classifieds soon.
highly recommend a coil
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Quote: The stubby one is referred to as an "M-80", one of MD's designs. I'll cut-and-paste the description of it from the swaylocks thread if/when I get a chance.
I have one on order right now. I'm 6'0" 180-190 and MD recommended a 5'8"
Hacky, I was eyeballing the M80 as well, what were the rest of the dim's that he recommended for you.
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Mike and I discussed dimensions on the phone, so I don't have a written record. I think he said 5'8" x 19 3/4" x a full 2 3/8", but I would not bet the farm on those #'s.
I will probably have my boards by next week if you can wait it out. Otherwise, I could probably call Mike and ask.
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i know. i don't want to hype these too much but they are the real deal "for me". i'm pretty much done with poly. since surfing on a coil and going back to my boards feels kind of like playing tennis with a modern racket and then switching back to a pingpong paddle
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Quote: Mike and I discussed dimensions on the phone, so I don't have a written record. I think he said 5'8" x 19 3/4" x a full 2 3/8", but I would not bet the farm on those #'s.
I will probably have my boards by next week if you can wait it out. Otherwise, I could probably call Mike and ask.
Mike just told me thickness= 2.25" and volume= 0.85 cubic feet.
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I really like the volume calculation in stead of standard length/width/thickness.
I rode three boards who's volume was known, including a Coil before ordering mine...I am really fired up on how small I am able to go on this build while still having that crutch float.
the way they pump, come off the bottom and catch the lip reminds me a lot of my ResinX board.
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Quote: there's quite a few boards in my quiver that will never see the water after that session. i'll have some boards in the classifieds soon.
This. Haven't heard as many comments like this about any construction ever as I've heard from owners of Coils recently. Truly sounds too good to believe when you hear what people say about theirs...look forward to forming my own opinions.
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I busted my shorty last week and ordered a Qualifier two days later. Mike was very responsive and answered all my questions via email. I can't wait to try this thing! My Dims: 6' 1/2" x 160 lbs. Qualifier Dims: 6'1' X 18 5/8" X 2 3/8" or whatever it needs to be. Volume: 0.80 cu. ft.
Mike even asked me where I like to paddle, chest, ribs, stomach, so he could customize the foil for my paddling technique...never had a shaper ask me that before, stocked!
Going with the 5 fin convertible set-up, should have in about 5 weeks if I'm lucky!
coils are matched well to Hawaiian juice. everything they do good in normal cali waves they do better in Hawaii. throw some bigger flat sided fins in and you are good to go. windy conditions are no issue for the tech. durability was great , had an instance where i was going to duck dive and i was on the reef , couple nicks on the rail and small pressure dent on the bottom. normal poly would have been heavily damaged.
so how does a widerboard made for average California surf go in Hawaii ?
well it goes very well.
day one, right hand point break, backside for me , 4 to 8 foot, 20 mph offshore, Perfect as perfect gets. Coil spring in the good waves is amazing ,off the bottom to the lip and and repeat, fun back wash section on the inside to launch some airs.
day two , well known A frame with a good left , SHALLOW reef. i love this wave, board worked perfect for how i was surfing this spot, which goes like this , QUICK take off , bottom turn fade , get in the tube , floater or cutback . this is the spot with the reef encouter , i was getting some of the smaller 6-7 footers on the inside and in came some 10 footers , pushed me back on to the reef, i was ok untill i went to duckdive and the boards did not go down , as the white wash got me i could here the scrapiong sounds of board and reef. got out and went back to the shower and could not find and damage . in the hotel i found a small size pressure dent and a few nicks on the rail.
so in the powerful waves i noticed that ,
the harder the board is pushed the better it feels.
wind chop energy does not effect the performance of the board.
even in the windy conditions the board stuck to my feet.
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I held steady at 6' and 170 through my teens and early 20's.
Mid- to late-20's I'd hold nicely at 175-180 without really trying, and occasionally max out at 185-190 when I really hit the meals and the bars, but could always drop back down with minimal effort.
Now at 32 with more time at the desk than in the water, I woke up a few weeks ago at 202, a number I had never seen before. Been trying to drop it for a few weeks now. Just weighed myself in, dropped a whopping 5 lbs.l damn. Explains why I was struggling a bit on my anorexic 6'2" last night.
I'm determined to get back down to my "fighting weight" of 175-180 (should be easier now that I'm spending more time outside for fun and in the field and on a boat for work) but might take longer than it used to.
Luckily my beefier winter boards (that I neglected to order until the winter was half over ) are due in soon
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Hmm, I usually just have Mike decide on bottom contours, he usually puts mostly deep singles into my boards.
The only board he made for me that did not work out was a double-into-a-single; I'm talking very pronounced "vee" in the center, lower than the rails, like Rusty's "Double-D" bottom.
He did this in response to me wanting to loosen up board #1 off-the-top, but in retrospect it was because the dimensions a descriptions I sent him for that first board resulted in a board with a very straight rail-line in the back-end and wide tail-block (think the Doc Lausch "The Tail" that Brad Gerlach was riding for a while); again, my fault for getting a little too demanding in the custom process. That board was blazing fast down the line, locked into our barrels, and really liked to be put on rail and buried; I was just looking to get a little more loosey-goosey and freestyle with/in/through the lips.
The double-to-single (or was it double-to-flat?.. .I'm not sure) shortie was very lifty and got a little drifty sketchy off the bottom when it was meaty. I think that contour could work in either a very low-railed, sinky, submissive board (so you can engage/disengage the board as a whole and turn on/off all that lift), or something longer in that wants to run longer, faster lines (a la Bonzer in pointbreak waves).
I find it best to give Mike an idea of what I like to ride and what I want the board to do and let him run with it. I talk approximate dims and volumes, but always tell him to make the measurements fit the curves and the volumes fit the foils, at his discretion. The only thing I get really demanding about is I like very aggressive foils with thin, low-railed "control freak" tails.
3 boards coming: 5'8" M-80, 6'3" Qualifier (high-perf shortie) based on Surfercross's shortboard, and a beefed-up 6'4" half-step-up (I describe it my "Occy-esque" board, but again I told Mike what I want it to do and let him run with it; he said a scaled up version of what Noah Snyder surfs in the Outer Banks in those conditions) for burly NE semi-cleanup swells and when I am on my backhand.
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I held steady at 6' and 170 through my teens and early 20's.
Mid- to late-20's I'd hold nicely at 175-180 without really trying, and occasionally max out at 185-190 when I really hit the meals and the bars, but could always drop back down with minimal effort.
Now at 32 with more time at the desk than in the water, I woke up a few weeks ago at 202, a number I had never seen before. Been trying to drop it for a few weeks now. Just weighed myself in, dropped a whopping 5 lbs.l damn. Explains why I was struggling a bit on my anorexic 6'2" last night.
I'm determined to get back down to my "fighting weight" of 175-180 (should be easier now that I'm spending more time outside for fun and in the field and on a boat for work) but might take longer than it used to.
Luckily my beefier winter boards (that I neglected to order until the winter was half over ) are due in soon
I turn 31 on Monday.
I usually weigh up to 165 or 170, but LOTS of fieldwork lately had me down to 155 the other day...kind of surprised me when I looked at the scale.
i asked mike to make my new one , flat, double con vee, flat. like the one on greg webbers website. his advise was stick with what works best for you, flat , single, flat and thats what i am getting. if aint broke , dont fix it.
did mike have any recommendations on fins for the M-80 ?
looks like we have some waves next week , perfect timing for the new board. looking forward to the ride review.
do you have an accurate scale? wonder what a higher volume board will weigh. my friends 6-4 at .9 cubic feet with Hawaii lam came in at 6.5lbs
I know. Board should be delivered tomorrow, just in time for it to sit in the garage for 4 days while I'm in Cabo with the fam. Don't have a scale, but I'm sure I could find one nearby. Can't wait for the taco!
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big thanks again to you, J, for putting it all together and getting it done.
I'm about to take mine for a stint in baja where I'll get a chance to put it through its paces.
big thanks in general to the online surf community for really promoting the products that the like-minded have found to be beneficial to the thing we do...I'm really stoked with the advances I've been able to make given the gear that I've been turned on to by so many folks.
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No worries. Big thanks to K for handling the transaction for us all.
Well, the taco arrived today and it felt like Christmas unwrapping the present. 6'4" x 20 3/8" x 2 5/8" 'Widerboard'. Board looks and feels unreal. Good volume where it counts, but very nicely foiled rails, nose, and tail. Killer shape and the build is pretty damn impressive. Cannot WAIT to try it out...unfortunately that won't be until at least Friday, as I'm headed out of town. Hopefully that means good waves for the rest of you. Thanks again Mike Daniel for a great custom order experience and to the Brasingtons for a very impressive-looking board. I'm pretty sure the ride will match the looks.
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Hi Guys, I've been thinking of getting the White Diamond but I saw this board and it seems like people really enjoy it. I guess what I want to know is why are people getting this board instead of a White Diamond? Board characterisics like speed, snapping ability, ability to catch waves. and what not would be greatly appreciated.
j, that board is going to blow your mind. the only downside is you won't look at your other boards the same.
i had a great 4hr session at stressles yesterday on my coil. tried out a bunch of different fin setups. i'm really liking the k2.1 fins for the thruster setup and the stretch as thuster and quad. i'm going to try the k2.1/k2.1 groms as quad rears next and the H2/gx rears as per 000's suggestion. and still have yet to try the gg g-10s which i think are going to go real good. we'll see what happens. good times
Took receipt of my new Coils and they look insane. Like, in-friggin-sane insane.
I'm so tired at the moment that I'm going cross-eyed, but I snapped a few quick pics of the M80 and am throwing them up here since I am really amped on it. The board packs a lot of volume without looking or feeling bulky at all, and the super foiled-down tail makes me think this is going to perfectly bridge the gap between my Springfish and shortboard.
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note to erBB's : having a baby will decrease your water time
I agree... x3.
With 3 at home, 2 of 'em still in diapers, sometimes I think it would be easier to organize a coup to overthrow a small country than work through the logistics of strategically lining up windows of availability and the correct swell/location/tide/wind combos.
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Quote: Took receipt of my new Coils and they look insane. Like, in-friggin-sane insane.
I'm so tired at the moment that I'm going cross-eyed, but I snapped a few quick pics of the M80 and am throwing them up here since I am really amped on it. The board packs a lot of volume without looking or feeling bulky at all, and the super foiled-down tail makes me think this is going to perfectly bridge the gap between my Springfish and shortboard.
Wow, I really like that template! looks very angular and hp...
20W loves roundness and thickness is the tail of his boards and ladies so this boards a no go for him
Hopefully I'll get a chance of trying one of these soon. Although I can't really afford any more boards and have a nearly completed quiver.
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Session #1 today on the Widerboard after 4 straight days of drinking and eating in Cabo equaled a very out-of-sync but still very promising session in semi-funky S. wind riddled beachbreak peaks. I had been told it would feel different than any board I've ever ridden...it turned out to be even MORE different than I expected. First off, the board is very foiled out for me compared to what I usually surf, but floated and paddled me fine and picked up waves better than I thought it would. Feels really solid and is very fast out of the gates, but what totally F-ed with my head was how much the board loads up coming off the bottom and pushing hard. On 2 of the better waves I caught, I went to drive it off of the bottom and wasn't prepared for the spring effect and my rear foot came completely off the board, causing me to fully kook the section. It seems like the board doesn't need the 'rider input' normally involved in generating speed by pumping hard. Pretty crazy. I look forward to figuring it out in coming sessions because I felt like a kook today. Feels very promising though from what I can tell thus far.
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I blew three backside waves today just totally exploding out of my backside bottom turns...goes totally vertical with a bullet.
rode it with my griffin quad set...not *quite* right for the board, but I did have a few open frontside waves where it catapulted.
mine is shorter, narrower and far more foiled than anything I ride...the paddling is only slightly more labored than my modfish but overall the thing catches waves I don't expect to and goes bananas when you load it up.
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I rode the M80 in waist-chest and clean surf that was not too weak, but not particularly punchy either. The performance of the board was outstanding, I could not be happier.
General first impressions are: paddles well, catches waves well, very submissive, very maneuverable (seems to roll rail-to-rail with a flick of the ankle, which is very helpful in speed-generation and back-off-sections in small surf), and is easiy to overpower when things get dicey. Still has a nice grounded thruster feeling and likes getting vertical and coming out of the turn with very little swing-weight resistance.
I feel like I've been missing out by not having one in my quiver earlier. Pretty jazzed to get back out on it again, hopefully in improved conditions.
Honestly, a springfish and an M80 combined would probably make for a minimalist, East-Coast-Summer two-board quiver (until, of course, real storms and swell materialize); if you had to boil it down to a one-board summer quiver, the widerboard could probably cover the spread reasonably well.
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I did not because I had to set the boards up on the ground-level deck, run to the second floor and climb out the window onto the low-level roof to check the vantage point, run back downstairs because the boards were over-hanging into the garden area, run back upstairs to check the frame, run back downstairs because the wind had blown the boards and rotated some of them out of alignment (this step x3), run back upstairs to take the shot, etc... all this while my wife was "gently urging" me to get my oldest daughter ready and out the door for soccer, etc.
I'll try to take some bottom shots in the near future.
Boards are all thrusters except the Springfish (quad) and the 5-fin option Widerboard (which is usually ridden as a thruster anyway).
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There is something really comforting about a 1 shaper quiver. You've worked with Mike so much at this point he can probably shape you any board with minimal input. There's a lot of value in building a shaper/surfer relationship like that. This picture tells a lot about that.
I surfed with Hackey for about 3 hours on Friday in really clean lined up stomach - chest high south swell. It was short period and lacked some push, but the rides were long and the wave stayed open. Watched him work the M80 and pull some kid tricks like a much younger surfer. Then he switched over to the Spring Fish with pretty much a flawless transition. I think that can really be attributed to that working relationship he's built with Mike.
Quote: I did not because I had to set the boards up on the ground-level deck, run to the second floor and climb out the window onto the low-level roof to check the vantage point, run back downstairs because the boards were over-hanging into the garden area, run back upstairs to check the frame, run back downstairs because the wind had blown the boards and rotated some of them out of alignment (this step x3), run back upstairs to take the shot, etc... all this while my wife was "gently urging" me to get my oldest daughter ready and out the door for soccer, etc.
I'll try to take some bottom shots in the near future.
Boards are all thrusters except the Springfish (quad) and the 5-fin option Widerboard (which is usually ridden as a thruster anyway).
I kid, I kid. Nice work!
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Haha, yeah, no prob. I figured the whole "conflict" (Me: "I gotta get these boards lined up and these pics taken" vs. my wife "Do you really have to do that NOW? The kid is gonna be late and it will be all your fault!") was humorous and possibly more common than one might think, and thus worth posting.
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Sound a little small for Nick I was thinking 6'1"x 21 1/2"x2 3/4" and if you don't like it, well...
ha. both of those dim suggestions are nowhere near where i'm going. sorry guys. i was thinking something like 5'8 21x2 1/2 would be money for me.
the m80 just reminds me of the wd i had but i have a feeling this might be a little bit better. i'll probably go 5'8 20 x 2 7/16.
Quote: for what kind of conditions ? slowers = m 80 hb = spring
what about a higher volume WB ?
i'm days away from putting in a widerboard order at 6'0 19 1/2 2 3/8. just waiting for the flashback fish to come in so i can feel out the difference between 1.0 ft3 and .90 ft3 (current widerboard) i'm just guessing its going to come in around .95ft3
hopefully my surfboard firesale goes well so i can just order all three
Quote: i talked to an fcs rep and they're about to release a k2.1 quad set so i'm waiting on that.
jack's might have them in stock - it looks like you can buy them through their website... go to this page and choose the quad set in the combobox (drop down list) @ the bottom...
I've got a coil, but now I'm stuck between ordering another (m-80? m-80/flashback diamond cross?) for a smaller wave groveller, and a white diamond. love my coil, but everyone seems to go crazy for the white diamond too...tough choices...
Quote: nkpheous, how come you got rid of the white diamond?
well to be perfectly honest, my modfish is better than the wd in almost every aspect (for me). i had a really fun first session with it, tried a bunch of different fin setups and kinda just lost interest.
Quote: I've got a coil, but now I'm stuck between ordering another (m-80? m-80/flashback diamond cross?) for a smaller wave groveller, and a white diamond. love my coil, but everyone seems to go crazy for the white diamond too...tough choices...
The best thing you could do is talk to Mike and hash this out. Don't forget he is in FL, which gets plenty of small, weak surf, so he would be familiar with such demands.
Here is my perspective:
As point-of-reference, I'm 6'0" 185 and riding a 5'8" M80 and a 5'6" Springfish.
For me, the M80 is a small-wave performer. Thruster that likes to be ridden aggressively off the tail. It pumps and pops through sections, so it is not a "let the board do all the work" groveler, but rather a "let's use what this board has to make the most of it" small wave board. Bear in mind, I've only ridden it one day, but for about 2 hours with consistent waves and no crowd/competition; on its inaugural session, once the tide got too high and the waves softened up, I traded to the springfish and it was like resetting the fun factor.
I'd say if you want a true groveler and decide to go M80, maybe oversize it a little and spring for the 5-fin plug option. By oversize, I don't mean big and bulky, maybe match your height or go a little less.
Or go for the Springfish set up as a quad to really take advantage of the low-end.
Or go full-custom with Mike and let him work his magic. My best boards are the ones that I told Mike what I want the board to do (and had him make all the decisions), not what I wanted him to do while shaping them.
Either way, definitely talk over your needs with Mike. Mike@coilsurf.com
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hackey, did you say your Springfish can be ridden both as a twin or quad? Like, a keel-fin twin or??? Mike mentioned setting them up sometimes to run as twins, but with trailers to go quad if you want to...
Also, for any larger Widerboard owners out there (190lbs.+), what fin setup (thruster, quad, or twin/trailer) are you prefering on your WB, and what particular FCS fins are you having the most luck with?
Myself, I've tried the following FCS quad setups so far:
Large Simon fronts, Med. Simon rears...felt like too much fin, fairly drivey but kinda stiff.
Mayhem GMB fronts with Q1000 rears...this has felt pretty good so far.
Tomorrow I'm trying it as a thruster with Sunny carbon fins...
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Don't you really dig another shaper's super-stiff fins? Would really like to try the Redlines (hope to borrom those from a friend soon). Pretty sure Surfride has an FCS test- drive center...know they have Futures. Will also try M-5's at some point.
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I rode the Springfish as a twin with FK3 keel fins for some time because that is what I knew well (twin-keel fishes), but once I put the quad fins in at Mike's recommendation there was no turning back.
I'm still experimenting, but I seem to always come back to K2.1's on most my FCS-equipped thrusters (including the widerboard and M80). Since the foils are so thin on most of my boards, there is a lot of efficiency and "edge control", which allows for smaller fins. If it gets a bit bigger I'll drop in a set of M5's. My preferred fins may change, of course, as I try different templates in different positions.
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I don't have a Coil, but I recently spent some time playing with fin setups on a FW Lost Stealth as a bigger guy (185-190). Somewhat similar board, relaxed entry rocker with a bit more beef than your standard thruster.
I had PC5s, PC7s, K2.1s, and the GMB5 set to work with. My favorite setup ended up being a thruster: the GMB fronts with a PC5 rear.
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I think I mentioned to you that I tried my griff quad fronts with the m5 rear.
I really liked it...I don't have a good frame of reference since I never ride thrusters and have only had poor experiences on them but I found the board to be super predictable and quick through turns.
I kind of want to try the griff fronts with an h2 rear...?
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FYI for any NJ guys, there is a good deal ($350) on a used round-tail shortboard 5'10" x 18.25" x 2 1/8" Coil (not mine) at No Flat Earth in Brick, NJ. It is one of the previous-generation versions (WRV logo, bare rails (no wrap)) but in really condition.
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OK, I'm jumping on the bandwagon. I've heard waaaaaay too many good things about Coil to not give it a try. I'm thinking about a Flashback fish moontail to rip into some of these Socal summer waves.
For the Flashback riders out there, what kind of fins are you using? Does the Flashback normally come as a quad, or are you running a 5-fin box?
I also need to dial in size. I'm 6'1", 175 lbs, 36 years old.
according to mike the flashback was originally a twin + trailer. mine is set up as a tri with larger sides and smaller trailer. there are some on the way that will have 5 boxes .
you and i are the same size, my flash back is 5-8 x 19.5 x 2.16 = .81 cubic feet.
what dims did you order?
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Quote: according to mike the flashback was originally a twin + trailer. mine is set up as a tri with larger sides and smaller trailer. there are some on the way that will have 5 boxes .
you and i are the same size, my flash back is 5-8 x 19.5 x 2.16 = .81 cubic feet.
what dims did you order?
I'm dialing it in with Mike. Nothing ordered yet. Are you happy with your dims? Are you also in your 30's? Do you have any issues with paddle-ability or picking up waves? Would you do anything different? 5'8" seems real small to me. Do Coil boards float more than your standard board?
I'll probably run it as a quad but was curious on the 5-fin option in case I want to experiment with a trailer later on. Also think the moon tail might be fun to try to get more "bite".
Quote: according to mike the flashback was originally a twin + trailer. mine is set up as a tri with larger sides and smaller trailer. there are some on the way that will have 5 boxes .
you and i are the same size, my flash back is 5-8 x 19.5 x 2.16 = .81 cubic feet.
what dims did you order?
I'm dialing it in with Mike. Nothing ordered yet. Are you happy with your dims? Are you also in your 30's? Do you have any issues with paddle-ability or picking up waves? Would you do anything different? 5'8" seems real small to me. Do Coil boards float more than your standard board?
I'll probably run it as a quad but was curious on the 5-fin option in case I want to experiment with a trailer later on. Also think the moon tail might be fun to try to get more "bite".
i am 28
dims are fine for me but i like more of a shortboard feel in a fish. they paddle well for their size and catch waves easy to me. i know some folks like extra float so if that is the case make sure to let mike know. if you plan to use it as an all rounder the quad would be the way to go. i have used mine in overhead wave and it was a bit skidish, shoulder to knee is when mine is at its best.
i dont think they float any diff from a poly.
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Quote: according to mike the flashback was originally a twin + trailer. mine is set up as a tri with larger sides and smaller trailer. there are some on the way that will have 5 boxes .
you and i are the same size, my flash back is 5-8 x 19.5 x 2.16 = .81 cubic feet.
what dims did you order?
I'm dialing it in with Mike. Nothing ordered yet. Are you happy with your dims? Are you also in your 30's? Do you have any issues with paddle-ability or picking up waves? Would you do anything different? 5'8" seems real small to me. Do Coil boards float more than your standard board?
I'll probably run it as a quad but was curious on the 5-fin option in case I want to experiment with a trailer later on. Also think the moon tail might be fun to try to get more "bite".
i am 28
dims are fine for me but i like more of a shortboard feel in a fish. they paddle well for their size and catch waves easy to me. i know some folks like extra float so if that is the case make sure to let mike know. if you plan to use it as an all rounder the quad would be the way to go. i have used mine in overhead wave and it was a bit skidish, shoulder to knee is when mine is at its best.
i dont think they float any diff from a poly.
I think I'll go 5-fin box, for another $50. It'll be nice to run a tri setup as well as quad. Mike recommended 5'10 to 6'1 range, depending on how much paddle power I want.
Still debating on how small to go. I'm agonizing over it. LoL. With your 5'8", do you find yourself catching waves by late take off, or is it pretty versatile and able to catch those weak summer mushy waves?
I'm leaning towards a 6'0" or 6'1" but keeping it thinner to maintain flex. Still discussing with Mike. I'm going to go with the 5-fin box and moon tail. What do you think, FCS or Futures? Which has better quad systems? Any good fin recommendations? I'll be surfing Socal summer mush with this board.
Quote: is your DD a fish? if so what dims? what were MD recommended dims? fcs 100% over future.
My DD is a 6'4" x 18 7/8" x 2 1/2" Proctor Blackbird.
MD suggested: "You could go as short as 5’10’’ on this, but maybe 5’11’’ or 6’0’’ would be safer and still much shorter than your other boards. 6’1’’ if you really value paddling/wave catching over tight radius turning. Width is usually proportioned to length; a 5’10’’ would be about 19.75, 6’1’’ would be 20.5’’. If your normal board is 6’4’’ x 2.5’’, you’re used to a little more volume than Todd. I’d lean towards 6’0 or 6’1’’ to keep it comfortable."
I'm getting more feedback on whether there would be any appreciable difference between 6 and 6'1" in flex. What do you think?...
i dont know about that. 6-1 to 6-0 , super small i am guessing. get one first and see how it goes, then play with flex on the next few if needed . i am sure now i could tell mike to make a board for me now without any input and it would go off.
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Quote: i dont know about that. 6-1 to 6-0 , super small i am guessing. get one first and see how it goes, then play with flex on the next few if needed . i am sure now i could tell mike to make a board for me now without any input and it would go off.
We decided on 6’0" and 20.25", and keeping the thickness minimal for small wave rippability.
I'm stoked to go with the 5-fin and play with tri or quad on the flashback.
Quote: i dont know about that. 6-1 to 6-0 , super small i am guessing. get one first and see how it goes, then play with flex on the next few if needed . i am sure now i could tell mike to make a board for me now without any input and it would go off.
We decided on 6’0" and 20.25", and keeping the thickness minimal for small wave rippability.
I'm stoked to go with the 5-fin and play with tri or quad on the flashback.
Moon tail will be fun, too!
It's going to be a loooooong 6-week wait!!
these will be 6 long weeks , especially when need 4 speed and nphenikous start going on and on about how fun they are.
did mike recommend any fin set ups ?
my recommendations
quad = stretch with q1 tri = stretch or pattersons or m7 with m3 trailer twin = mr 78's or the griffin's
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these will be 6 long weeks , especially when need 4 speed and nphenikous start going on and on about how fun they are.
did mike recommend any fin set ups ?
my recommendations
quad = stretch with q1 tri = stretch or pattersons or m7 with m3 trailer twin = mr 78's or the griffin's
Mike didn't have any fin recommendations yet.
Thanks for your recommendations. I've been doing fin research, going through the threads, etc., trying to figure out good combos to try. It's funny I didn't even picture running this as a twin.
nope....all i have left is the mod. i think the modfish fronts with the middle fin will almost serve as a twin w trailer in the flashback. i'll let you know how it goes when i try it. after seeing the fins on todd's board that greg made for him, i'm considering ordering a set as well. i've got a good batch of fins that all seem to work well in the widerboard.
more like thrusters hate(d) me...I think a lot of the new found success has to do with getting off big boards and learning how to work for my speed.
but running griffin modfish fronts with an M5 trailer works killer...good projection when I put the rail down, but a tighter turning radius off the bottom and top when needed. very predictable...thinking of trying an h2 center and/or some smaller trailers to see how much fin I can eliminate.
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Had a pretty good session on the Widerboard this a.m., so I thought I'd offer a bit more of a review... Waves were anywhere from chest-high to overhead, peaky and shifty low-tide windswell with some push. The bigger waves would jack up quickly and produce quick-moving, steep drops, some of which would line up a bit with others burgering out after the drop. Had a few rights and lefts that were overhead and the board performed really well w/ TC Redline thruster fins (first time trying those). Picked up waves well and handled the steep drops well too. I actually stuck two backside air drops, and the board loaded up off the bottom and around a steep pitching section that I didn't think I'd make both times. Also had two steep and bowly lefts, going from a late drop into a short shoulder where I was able to really lay into a frontside carve and feel the coil/spring effect coming out of a turn that everyone loves with these boards. Not much in the way of longer lined-up waves, but the board performed very well in these steep windswell conditions and gave me more of a feel for it's potential. I dug it.
Some overall impressions of the board/build so far...
1) These are not buoyant like many other more standard EPS/epoxy builds. I'd say it floats and paddles more like a poly board, so take that into consideration when deciding dims. I could use a touch more foam, although the board does well as long as there is some push in the wave. I really notice the lower buoyancy when duck-diving. While it's easy to sink it, it doesn't pop back up quickly like my other eps/epoxy boards.
2) My board is not nearly as light weight as my higher-volume EPS/epoxy boards...also probably more similar to a standard or light glassed poly.
3) The Coil/spring effect is really most apparent when coming off the bottom hard or laying into a carve hard. It really does load up and project...a very cool feeling!
4) The Widerboard is most definately all performance shortboard. Nothing fishy/alternative feeling about it. Don't confuse it for an alternative to riding a fish...it's completely different. Feels like it wants to be pushed and surfed hard, and goes rail to rail very well.
5) I dig the board a lot, and look forward to surfing it quite a bit when the waves are good. Not a mush-buster at all for me, but super fun when the waves are better.
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Since I dig Mike and the Brasingtons' program and have been happy with the Widerboard, I placed an order for a Springfish with Mike yesterday. Got some really good feedback from some other SF owners and am stoked to get it. Likely dims will be 5'11" x 21 1/2" x 2 5/8", a bit more full than the super blades some have, but still with Mike's foil characteristics. Hoping for a great small wave killer that will still handle punchier surf if needed.
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So how does one get the guys at coil to answer emails? at least 1000 posts on the erbb? a blog? I guess its not worth their time if I don't plan on telling the internet house fast the coil springs me out of my turns. Oh well
sure am. tried that email and the info one listed on the website. doesn't really matter now that i've picked up pretty new (to me) bulkley hipster quad
Quote: sure am. tried that email and the info one listed on the website. doesn't really matter now that i've picked up pretty new (to me) bulkley hipster quad
Sounds like a personal problem, since the rest of us haven't had a problem.
What happened when you called the phone number on their website?
bummer for you i guess. Mike is always super responsive, even late (I'm on west coast) and he goes so far as to respond on weekends. Either you just got unlucky, or something else is going on (bad email server, getting put into a spam box, user error). Next time you're in the market, try Mike again. Or try him now, just to let him know you're interested. Or one of us could pass your email along to him, just in case a spam filter's trapping it? Best of luck if/when you decide to go coil, you won't regret it.
I agree with everyone. There were a few days I waited for a response after my first email to him and he apologized due to being super busy. From then on I've received answers to my questions usually within an hour. Mike is really on top of things and I would give him a chance on your next order. Must have gotten lost in junk mail or something. Brian's hipster quad looks great as well!!!!
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Quote: i tried the coil info email and got no email back. the [Email]mike@coil[/Email] worked for me . hipster quad is a good board !
just wondering, where do people from west philly surf ? NJ?
not in west philly anymore, i've moved east about 30 block but that doesnt really make a difference. anywhere between LBI and Cape May, can be in the water in AC in about 65 minutes. Lots of travel too
Surfed the Widerboard this a.m. in overhead, peaky waves that were breaking all over the place. Fun drops, but no shoulder or face left after the drop. Only had one wave that 'sorta' lined up for a bit where I was able to really do a turn. Felt good on that one turn. Ran the BKQ fins in it for the first time. Very fast on the drop, but with the chatter from the surface chop on each wave, it really felt like I had to nurse the bottom turns to avoid getting all squirelly. Not sure if that was due to the chatter or the fins, but felt a bit sketchy coming off the bottom on the bigger (couple feet overhead) sets.
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Quote: in the conditions described i have never liked quads.
with all that fin area it does not make sense that it felt loose.
Didn't make sense to me either, but... Mike said the same thing about surfing this board as a quad in those conditions. Tomorrow I'm trying the BKQ fronts with an M-5 trailer. One thing that was crazy about those bigger drops with this quad setup...the damn board was retardedly fast from the peak down to the trough and into the flats. I think that, coupled with the chatter, made it a bit sketchy to lay it on a rail coming off the bottom. Almost like I needed something to slow things down a touch on the drop.
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Quote: in the conditions described i have never liked quads.
with all that fin area it does not make sense that it felt loose.
Didn't make sense to me either, but... Mike said the same thing about surfing this board as a quad in those conditions. Tomorrow I'm trying the BKQ fronts with an M-5 trailer. One thing that was crazy about those bigger drops with this quad setup...the damn board was retardedly fast from the peak down to the trough and into the flats. I think that, coupled with the chatter, made it a bit sketchy to lay it on a rail coming off the bottom. Almost like I needed something to slow things down a touch on the drop.
maybe spread the cluster a little? I had them too close together, and I had a couple sketch drops that last south swell we had a couple weeks ago. Pulled the back fins back just a little, and it helped tighten things up.
Rode my 6'8" at Malibu today, put in some k2.1's (thruster), wasn't completely thrilled with them, at least for Malibu. I'm too big for them at 230, I think, but I could see them working well in beach break. I'd love a blown up k2.1, great template, but I could overpower it a little too much on the bottom turns. I need to get some AM's or occy fins to try out. Coil went well though, felt good to take off late on my backhand, and I got in a couple smacks, and one wall that I swung late on and raced down the line. I just can't get over how good the Coil feels through turns.
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Dropped an M5 trailer in, liked that a little better, more confidence in the bottom turn. Picking up some of the occy fins to try out. Old plastic ones, but a good deal, so, we'll see how those go.
Griff's quad Rode the H-2's(quad) in my step up on Friday quirky and they hum at speed seem good for lined up down the line waves Don't like to turn at speed(like my speed dialers) which was weird ,I thought the more upright fins were more pivoty probably going to try to move them
Quote: Griff's quad Rode the H-2's(quad) in my step up on Friday quirky and they hum at speed seem good for lined up down the line waves Don't like to turn at speed(like my speed dialers) which was weird ,I thought the more upright fins were more pivoty probably going to try to move them
i did not like the h2's, same humming thing and i felt the lacked drive.
is greg making u a set? cant go wrong with his fins. the ones he made me FVCKING go off , i have left the sides alone and played with the center fin. on the shapers dot for trestles and up a tad for newps
They seem to have plenty of drive to me large up front/smalls in the rear Worked great in my Mod Fish a couple of weeks back some nice peak bowls,real hollow would like to have swapped back the 5 fins for comparison on same waves same day type deal. The Griffs are back in if that says anything
Ordered 4/30, so end of June is my guess? Hopefully I can try out N4S's FBF before it's shaped to really nail down my preferred volume. Maybe this weekend...if he has it.
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Surfed my Widerboard this morning for the first time in a while. Waves ended up being much smaller and softer than I expected, but wanted to surf it anyway. Although I certainly could have used a fishier shape for the waves, got a few (very few) waves that tried to line up amongst the crumble. On one left, I dropped in behind a mushy section and pumped off the bottom and around it towards a crumbly oncoming section. Without much hope, I threw the board up into the foam and was very surprised how quickly in sprang up and almost threw me into a layback off the section. Wasn't prepared for it and barely didn't pull it, but it was a cool feeling anyway. On the only real decent wave I got (a right, backside for me), I took off and pumped high before dropping down, and with a fairly lined up line ahead of me, came off the bottom and sprang into a quick top-turn, then did the same thing 3 more times in a row probably as quickly as I've ever done. I was surprised how quickly the board seemed to want to transition right into the next turn and load up to do it again. For a pretty crappy overall session, those two waves stoked me out, especially the backside spring attack (which I'm normally hopeless for). These boards really do feel like nothing else I've surfed. I have high expectations now for the Springfish on the way, and think the volume will probably be slightly better suited for me.
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What are the dims on your 6'3" I just picked up a 6'3" 18 3/4x2 3/8 82ft Picked this up second hand custom from a guy who said it was too HP for him. I am 39 5'10" 175 lbs got this board for good waves chest high plus haven't had the waves to try it yet. Most feedback on here has been from wider boards or m 80' springfish not hp qualifier type boards.
Quote: had my 6-3 out early sunday morning at my favorite low tide spot . soooo fun , lined up lefts that let me do turn after turn . i love this board !
thin anorexic tail that is flat under foot. deck is domed but not super domed , i am flat footed and the flatter the better. single con starting 12 in back to the rear fin then flat.
used in waist high mush to overhead good waves , love , zero complaints. when you get yours in some good waves it will blow your mind . i would recommend you surf it all the time and get used to the coil effect . i also have a flash back fish , i like it a bunch for soft rolly waves but i can surf my 6-3 in the same waves just fine.
is this your first coil ?
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Rick, that is a friend/acquaintance's (barely) used board. If it did not overlap so heavily with what I currently have, I would have probably snatched it up.
I think that volume is a good match for you; it should provide a good jumping-off point in your coil experience.
Read my posts (regarding both HP boards and alt-shapes) earlier in this thread and over at swaylocks.com There is also a review of my 1st coil (a hp thruster) at eastcoastsurfer.com .
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My latest taco arrived today...LOVE those Fedex deliveries!
The 5'11" x 21.5" x 2 5/8" Springfish turned out insane! Volume came out to 1.32 cu. ft. and feels great underarm with some beef through the middle and that ever-present Coil foil in the nose and tail. Of course, nice rails too!
The way these things are packed trips me out, even though I've seen it before.
Having never seen a Springfish in person, I only had pictures and reviews of other owners to go by. Gotta say this thing looks and feels pretty badass...can't wait to get it wet. Thanks again Mike and Kirk!
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Quote: My latest taco arrived today...LOVE those Fedex deliveries!
The 5'11" x 21.5" x 2 5/8" Springfish turned out insane! Volume came out to 1.32 cu. ft. and feels great underarm with some beef through the middle and that ever-present Coil foil in the nose and tail. Of course, nice rails too!
The way these things are packed trips me out, even though I've seen it before.
Having never seen a Springfish in person, I only had pictures and reviews of other owners to go by. Gotta say this thing looks and feels pretty badass...can't wait to get it wet. Thanks again Mike and Kirk!
wow, love the board... the logo ummm, maybe not
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Actually wasn't sold on the new logo in pics before getting this one. Now I think I like it better than the old one. Looks sweet in person. All waxed up and ready to go! Forgot to mention, the board feels LIGHT....surprisingly so, which is a great thing for me.
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