winwin
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spoken to Retodd about this, and wanted everyone's else opinions. wanting to get a board for Head high and a half to double overhead waves. 1) do i need to go the traditional route of more length and narrower board? or2) can i just get something with HPSB dims with just more foam? or 3) is there such thing as a stubby step up?
case in point: surfed with Retodd at his reef in some good 4-6' waves with clean up sets up to 8'....rode my Coil Blur at 6 x 19.5 x 2.3/8 (pretty close to my HPSB dims which is around 6 x 19.1/4 x 2.3/8)....got some really good rides, but was catching them late and a tad further inside. The Blur works great for lineup that requires less paddling to get out to.
Does length always wins out over shorter boards when a step up is needed??
A traditional step up, for me , would be around 6'4"-6'6" x 18.5-19 x 2.25...but would rather go with a stubby/shorter step up if there such a thing.... What i want is something that can get in early without sacrificing performance, and can be easy to duck dive. What say you??
board recommendations and dims are appreciated....
winwin 
Edited by winwin (03/18/12 12:35 PM)
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sozzle
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Rusty slayer? 
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littlewave
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retodd's reef, in my opinion, likes a longer rail line. For me, a longer board is more fun out there. It's a pretty big playing field out there. I could see a stubby step up being really fun for some of the beachbreak around here, since not much paddling is involved for most of em. Taking off under the lip and pulling in type deal.
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littlewave
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Slayer
CI Deep Six
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Havoc
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spoken to Retodd about this, and wanted everyone's else opinions. wanting to get a board for Head high and a half to double overhead waves. 1) do i need to go the traditional route of more length and narrower board? or2) can i just get something with HPSB dims with just more foam? or 3) is there such thing as a stubby step up?
case in point: surfed with Retodd at his reef in some good 4-6' waves with clean up sets up to 8'....rode my Coil Blur at 6 x 19.5 x 2.3/8 (pretty close to my HPSB dims which is around 6 x 19.1/4 x 2.3/8)....got some really good rides, but was catching them late and a tad further inside. The Blur works great for lineup that requires less paddling to get out to.
Does length always wins out over shorter boards when a step up is needed??
A traditional step up, for me , would be around 6'4"-6'6" x 18.5-19 x 2.25...but would rather go with a stubby/shorter step up if there such a thing.... What i want is something that can get in early without sacrificing performance, and can be easy to duck dive. What say you??
board recommendations and dims are appreciated....
winwin
coil pre aarp a bit longer and more volume than the one u used to own. matt biolos for example rides different sized rockups depending on how big and how much water is moving. longer narrower for bigger stuff. also more volume. I think in general u order ur boards w/ too much or too little for the conditions no? maybe 6'1 or 6'2 pre aarp more gunny wud be a good call.
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littlewave
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yeah, forgot about aarp board, wp pushed forward, like that one.
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Havoc
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retodd's reef, in my opinion, likes a longer rail line.
this! that place has a lot of water moving when its bigger. also, winwin, ur blur has a squash tail. if u wanna push the range, it should have a round tail 
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littlewave
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rode it this past week as well, on my 6'8" roundtail qualifier with the quad setup. that wave and board really work well together for me. Ridden my 6'3" flashback there, and it's just not as much fun for me.
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Havoc
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rode it this past week as well, on my 6'8" roundtail qualifier with the quad setup. that wave and board really work well together for me. Ridden my 6'3" flashback there, and it's just not as much fun for me.
good call. damn, I have a 6'2" roundtail qualifier that would work perfect for that place when it's bigger if I can get the guts to paddle over the ledge when there's 40+ people out 
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littlewave
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yeah, hate that when all you can see on the inside is the hordes scattering every which way.  just look at the empty spaces and you most likely won't hit anyone...
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sublime74
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Im sure you had a few step up boards in the past(6'4 - 6'6), what didn't you like about it? What do you want to do on these waves if you had a shorter step up? Cuz if you just want to cruise then why not a real stubbie step up? If you want to do some crazy manuver then in between stubby step up and the traditional hp step up, i was stressing out for the same thing and just decided to go a bit wider (.25 - .5"), thicker and 2" shorter, i havent got it from mike yet but cant wait, just wanted to remind you to imagine yourself doing what the most on these big waves and you might just come up with your own answer or better idea...
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Oceanslide
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I really feel awkward now on anything over about 6'4", especially
with really pinny noses. Too hard to transition to from my
everyday stubbier boards. I'd look at a Rock-up, Slayer,
Pre-AARP, or Hornet (with a round-pin) as a legit option for
solid, good waves. Only one spot in the county I'd be
sketched about surfing with size on something like that,
and I almost never surf there anyway. Makes a gunny shape
pointless for me around here.
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Dawn_patrol
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Head and a half to double over head - sounds like legit semi gun territory, especially if there is a big playing field and lots of water moving around. If you were talking about Newps or a wave like that then the stubby sounds good, but I personally appreciate the paddle power and rail line of a longer board in a bigger playing field. Good luck. 
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FresnoRipper
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littlewave
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Head and a half to double over head - sounds like legit semi gun territory, especially if there is a big playing field and lots of water moving around. If you were talking about Newps or a wave like that then the stubby sounds good, but I personally appreciate the paddle power and rail line of a longer board in a bigger playing field. Good luck.
Yep. I think that wave rewards you for riding a bit longer board. But that stretch pictured and some of the other recs are spot on for bigger beachbreak days where you might not want so much rail line.
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retodd
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there is no replacement for displacement
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littlewave
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Which one is that? Retodd reef special?
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retodd
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Ocean Beach SF special 
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winwin
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Head and a half to double over head - sounds like legit semi gun territory, especially if there is a big playing field and lots of water moving around. If you were talking about Newps or a wave like that then the stubby sounds good, but I personally appreciate the paddle power and rail line of a longer board in a bigger playing field. Good luck.
Yep. I think that wave rewards you for riding a bit longer board. But that stretch pictured and some of the other recs are spot on for bigger beachbreak days where you might not want so much rail line.
It was my 4th day straight of surfing and pretty tired...more length for displacement would of helped.
thanks for the clarification everyone. Will probably pick up a used one this week.
Edited by winwin (03/18/12 06:30 PM)
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avt__
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CI Deep Six and anything "inspired" by it.
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retodd
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silentbutdeadly
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Retodd have you tried a design like this? I think it's one of the next in the queue for me.
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retodd
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i tried , i liked , i ordered 
6-1 x 19 x ? .92 volume , for ledgey / bowley waves
mine will have a baby swallow tail
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freeride76
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It doesn't seem to have the same area up forwards in the outline curve.
Or is that just the photo?
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retodd
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the CI is 18.5 wide ( mid )
the coil is 19.5 ( mid )
never put a tape measure on either
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avt__
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the CI is 18.5 wide ( mid )
the coil is 19.5 ( mid )
never put a tape measure on either
Wide point looks like it's 2" forward on the CI, 2" back on the other.
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freeride76
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Yeah, I don't mean the actual width , just the way the outline curve in the CI seems to keep a lot of area forwards.
Boards like that paddle unreal compared to more needle nose boards.
Edit" exactly AVT
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Edited by freeride76 (03/18/12 09:40 PM)
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retodd
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does the blue rail coil appear to have a needle nose to you ?
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silentbutdeadly
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I think so. Blue rail looks more like our 6'1"'s but with a pulled in round tail. CI looks more like I was talking about.
I am intrigued by the blue rail though.... I likes.
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freeride76
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No, that was a bad term....but it definitely seems narrower in comparison to the CI.
I think the spray may add to the visual effect.
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avt__
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Yeah, I don't mean the actual width , just the way the outline curve in the CI seems to keep a lot of area forwards.
Boards like that paddle unreal compared to more needle nose boards.
Edit" exactly AVT
A board with wide point 2" forward will have the same curve behind the wide point as a much longer "normal" board (which has its wide point 2" back).
Example: A 5'8 board with wide point 2" forward has its wide point at 36". A 6'4 step up also has its wide point at 36".
So if you "copy" the curve, rocker, fin placement, and bottom contours on a 6'4 step up, and then replace the nose rocker/outline with something much shorter, thereby moving the wide point forward, you get something similar to the CI deep six.
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Havoc
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yeah, I think u are correct. the coil isn't as wide in the nose and as pulled in the tail as the deep six. deep six has an almost fishy like nose w/ pulled in rounded pin designed for heavy barrels like pipeline.
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Greg Griffin
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How you match the entry rocker-angle- at that points width -template -determines maximum paddling .
Same rocker with too wide template creates too much lift - resistance to dropping in compared to narrower nose.
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retodd
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i looked at the coil pre bagging ( not posting that )
blue + grid plays with the eye
but IMHO the pulled in tail of the ci makes the wide point appear to be elevated and the nose fuller .
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silentbutdeadly
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How you match the entry rocker-angle- at that points width -template -determines maximum paddling .
Same rocker with too wide template creates too much lift - resistance to dropping in compared to narrower nose.
Makes sense. What's your go to design on a board that gets over the ledge easy and into a dredging wave? Non standard HPSB of course.
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Havoc
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yeah, forgot, it's all about the overall width. interesting.
check it:
http://cisurfboards.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/conner-coffin.jpg
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retodd
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Yeah, I don't mean the actual width , just the way the outline curve in the CI seems to keep a lot of area forwards.
Boards like that paddle unreal compared to more needle nose boards.
Edit" exactly AVT
A board with wide point 2" forward will have the same curve behind the wide point as a much longer "normal" board (which has its wide point 2" back).
Example: A 5'8 board with wide point 2" forward has its wide point at 36". A 6'4 step up also has its wide point at 36".
So if you "copy" the curve, rocker, fin placement, and bottom contours on a 6'4 step up, and then replace the nose rocker/outline with something much shorter, thereby moving the wide point forward, you get something similar to the CI deep six.
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Havoc
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i tried , i liked , i ordered
6-1 x 19 x ? .92 volume , for ledgey / bowley waves
mine will have a baby swallow tail
btw, who owns this board now? I'd be interested in purchasing it for some of the bigger south swells. pm me whoever owns it.
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Greg Griffin
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Your CI link shows a lower than normal forehead shape indicating -
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