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Trayvon Martin Case: Justice Department To Investigate Fatal Shooting Of Unarmed Florida Teen
By MIKE SCHNEIDER 03/19/12 11:57 PM ET

ORLANDO, Fla. — The federal Justice Department says it has begun an investigation into the fatal shooting death of an unarmed black teen in Florida by a neighborhood watch captain.

The agency said in a statement late Monday that it will perform an independent review of the evidence and take appropriate action.

Police have described the man who fired the shot, 28-year-old George Zimmerman, as white; his family says he is Hispanic and not racist.

Zimmerman claims he shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin last month in self-defense during a confrontation in a gated community in Sanford.

College students around Florida rallied Monday to demand the Zimmerman's arrest, though authorities say they may be hamstrung by a state law that allows people to defend themselves with deadly force.

College students around Florida rallied Monday to demand the arrest of a neighborhood watch captain who shot an unarmed black teen last month, though authorities may be hamstrung by a state law that allows people to defend themselves with deadly force.

Police have described the man who fired the shot, 28-year-old George Zimmerman, as white; his family says he is Hispanic and is not racist.

Zimmerman claims he shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin last month in self-defense during a confrontation in a gated community in Sanford.


Students held rallies on the campus of Florida A&M University in Tallahassee and outside the Seminole County Criminal Justice Center, where prosecutors are reviewing the case to determine if charges should be filed. The students demanded Zimmerman's arrest.

Zimmerman spotted Martin as he was patrolling his neighborhood on a rainy evening last month and called 911 to report a suspicious person. Against the advice of the 911 dispatcher, Zimmerman then followed Martin, who was walking home from a convenience store with a bag of Skittles in his pocket.

"I don't think a man who exited his vehicle after the 911 dispatcher told him to stay inside the car can claim self-defense," Carl McPhail, a 28-year-old Barry University law school student, said at the Sanford rally.

The 70 protesters at the Sanford rally chanted "What if it was your son?" and held posters saying, "This is not a race issue." Many carried Skittles.

Martin's parents and other advocates have said the shooter would have been arrested had he been black.

"You would think that Sanford is still in the 1800s claiming that this man can call self-defense for shooting an unarmed boy," restaurant owner Linda Tillman said.

The case has garnered national attention and civil rights activist Al Sharpton and radio host Michael Baisden planned to lead another rally Thursday in Sanford.

U.S. Rep. Corrine Brown, D-Fla., along with members of the Congressional Black Caucus and the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, have asked that the U.S. Department of Justice to review the case, and White House spokesman Jay Carney said Monday during a briefing that officials there were aware of what happened.

"Our thoughts and prayers go out to Trayvon Martin's family," Carney said. "But obviously we're not going to wade into a local law enforcement matter."

Late Monday, Florida Gov. Rick Scott directed the state Department of Law Enforcement to help local authorities in their investigation. The governor said in a memo to department Commissioner Gerald Bradley that the circumstances surrounding the death "have caused significant concern within the Sanford community and the state."

Prosecutors may not be able to charge Zimmerman because of changes to state law in 2005. Under the old law, people could use deadly force in self-defense only if they had tried to run away or otherwise avoid the danger.

Under the new law, there is no duty to retreat and it gives a Floridian the right "to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force," if he feels threatened.

Prosecutors can have a hard time making a case if there is no one else around to contradict a person who claims self-defense, said David Hill, a criminal defense attorney in Orlando. So far, Sanford police have said there is no evidence to contradict Zimmerman's claims.

"If there is nobody around and you pull a gun, you just say, `Hey, I reasonably believed I was under imminent attack. Hey, sorry. Too bad. But you can't prosecute me,'" Hill said, somewhat tongue-in-cheek.

Gun control advocates said the case is emblematic of permissive gun laws in Florida, which was among the first states to allow residents to carry concealed weapons. Florida was the first state to pass a "Stand Your Ground" law, which has been dubbed a "Shoot First" law by gun control advocates.

Currently, about half of all U.S. states have similar laws, said Brian Malte, legislative director of the Brady Campaign, which describes itself as the nation's largest organization dedicated to the prevention of gun violence.

"It's coming to dangerous fruition," Malte said. "There are more states like Florida."

The "Stand Your Ground" law's legislative sponsor, Florida Rep. Dennis Baxley, said it wasn't written to give people the power to pursue and confront others.

"That's not what this legislation does," said Baxley, a Republican. "Unfortunately, every time there is an unfortunate incident involving a firearm, they think it's about this law, and it's not."

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First of all did this guy even have a CWP? I haven't heard that he has. He also doesn't look "white" to me why is the media making it a black white thing? As far as I'm concerned this guy is the typical wannabee cop that thinks it's his business to get into everyone elses biz in his hood. I hate guys like him. He followed the kid, so he can throw the self defense thing out the window. And I'm sorry, if my kids saw some hispanic looking guy creeping on them like he was they would act strange too. The fact this guy isn't in jail blows me away. He executed that kid and deserves to go to jail for the rest of his life. Props to the kids dad for keeping it together I would be looking to pummel that guy.

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What happened to the shooter?

So far, not much. Zimmerman told police he'd acted in self-defense. ABC News reports that he had wanted to be a police officer, and Sanford police didn't test him for drugs or alcohol after the shooting (such tests are standard practice in homicide investigations). He was licensed to carry his gun, and police initially told Martin's father that they hadn't pressed charges because Zimmerman was a criminal justice student with a "squeaky clean" record.

That wasn't entirely true, however; in 2005, Zimmerman was arrested for "resisting arrest with violence and battery on a law enforcement officer"; those charges were dropped. Media investigations and Martin family attorneys suggest that Zimmerman was a vigilante with "a false sense of authority" in search of young black men in his neighborhood. Police records show Zimmerman had called 911 a total of 46 times between Jan. 1 and the day he shot Martin. (Florida guidelines for licensed gun owners state: "A license to carry a concealed weapon does not make you a free-lance policeman.")

How are Florida's self-defense and "stand your ground" laws key to this case?

Zimmerman may have benefited from some of the broadest firearms and self-defense regulations in the nation. In 1987, then-Gov. Bob Martinez (R) signed Florida's concealed-carry provision into law, which "liberalized the restrictions that previously hindered the citizens of Florida from obtaining concealed weapons permits," according to one legal analyst. This trendsetting "shall-issue" statute triggered a wave of gun-carry laws in other states. (Critics said at the time that Florida would become "Dodge City.") Permit holders are also exempted from the mandatory state waiting period on handgun purchases.

Even though felons and other violent offenders are barred from getting a weapons permit, a 2007 investigation by the South Florida Sun-Sentinel found that licenses had been mistakenly issued to 1,400 felons and hundreds more applicants with warrants, domestic abuse injunctions, or gun violations. (More than 410,000 Floridians have been issued concealed weapons permits.) Since then, Florida also passed a law permitting residents to keep guns in their cars at work, against employers' wishes. The state also nearly allowed guns on college campuses last year, until an influential Republican lawmaker fought the bill after his close friend's daughter was killed by an AK-47 brandished at a Florida State University fraternity party.

Florida also makes it easy to plead self-defense in a killing. Under then-Gov. Jeb Bush, the state in 2005 passed a broad "stand your ground" law, which allows Florida residents to use deadly force against a threat without attempting to back down from the situation. (More stringent self-defense laws state that gun owners have "a duty to retreat" before resorting to killing.) In championing the law, former NRA president and longtime Florida gun lobbyist Marion Hammer said: "Through time, in this country, what I like to call bleeding-heart criminal coddlers want you to give a criminal an even break, so that when you're attacked, you're supposed to turn around and run, rather than standing your ground and protecting yourself and your family and your property."

Again, the Sunshine State was the trendsetter: 17 states have since passed "stand your ground" laws, which critics call a "license to kill" or a "shoot first" law. The law has been unpopular with law enforcement officers in Florida, since it makes it much more difficult to charge shooters with a crime and has regularly confounded juries in murder cases; many Orlando-area cops reportedly have given up investigating "self-defense" cases as a result, referring them to the overloaded state Attorney's Office for action. A 2010 study by the Tampa Bay Times found that "justifiable homicides" had tripled in the state since the law went into effect.

Slate's Emily Bazelon has more background on the evolution of "stand your ground," its predecessor (the "castle doctrine"), and why Zimmerman hasn't yet been arrested and charged.

http://motherjones.com/politics/2012/03/what-happened-trayvon-martin-explained

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First of all did this guy even have a CWP? I haven't heard that he has. He also doesn't look "white" to me why is the media making it a black white thing? As far as I'm concerned this guy is the typical wannabee cop that thinks it's his business to get into everyone elses biz in his hood. I hate guys like him. He followed the kid, so he can throw the self defense thing out the window. And I'm sorry, if my kids saw some hispanic looking guy creeping on them like he was they would act strange too. The fact this guy isn't in jail blows me away. He executed that kid and deserves to go to jail for the rest of his life. Props to the kids dad for keeping it together I would be looking to pummel that guy.

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Yes he had a concealed weapon permit. Unless something unexpected comes to light it sounds like the guy is is completely in the wrong. Forty-six 911 calls in 2012 alone, I've called 911 maybe 6x in my life and usually it's when someone is bleeding on the sidewalk or there's a car accident or something. Knocking on doors in the neighborhood to warn neighbors of suspicious black kids. The real question is why the local pig dept. failed to give him a drug and alcohol test which is typically standard in homicide investigations and why wasn't he arrested? Isn't it up to the courts to decide if it was self-defense?

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What happened to the shooter?

So far, not much. Zimmerman told police he'd acted in self-defense. ABC News reports that he had wanted to be a police officer, and Sanford police didn't test him for drugs or alcohol after the shooting (such tests are standard practice in homicide investigations). He was licensed to carry his gun, and police initially told Martin's father that they hadn't pressed charges because Zimmerman was a criminal justice student with a "squeaky clean" record.

That wasn't entirely true, however; in 2005, Zimmerman was arrested for "resisting arrest with violence and battery on a law enforcement officer"; those charges were dropped. Media investigations and Martin family attorneys suggest that Zimmerman was a vigilante with "a false sense of authority" in search of young black men in his neighborhood. Police records show Zimmerman had called 911 a total of 46 times between Jan. 1 and the day he shot Martin. (Florida guidelines for licensed gun owners state: "A license to carry a concealed weapon does not make you a free-lance policeman.")

How are Florida's self-defense and "stand your ground" laws key to this case?

Zimmerman may have benefited from some of the broadest firearms and self-defense regulations in the nation. In 1987, then-Gov. Bob Martinez (R) signed Florida's concealed-carry provision into law, which "liberalized the restrictions that previously hindered the citizens of Florida from obtaining concealed weapons permits," according to one legal analyst. This trendsetting "shall-issue" statute triggered a wave of gun-carry laws in other states. (Critics said at the time that Florida would become "Dodge City.") Permit holders are also exempted from the mandatory state waiting period on handgun purchases.

Even though felons and other violent offenders are barred from getting a weapons permit, a 2007 investigation by the South Florida Sun-Sentinel found that licenses had been mistakenly issued to 1,400 felons and hundreds more applicants with warrants, domestic abuse injunctions, or gun violations. (More than 410,000 Floridians have been issued concealed weapons permits.) Since then, Florida also passed a law permitting residents to keep guns in their cars at work, against employers' wishes. The state also nearly allowed guns on college campuses last year, until an influential Republican lawmaker fought the bill after his close friend's daughter was killed by an AK-47 brandished at a Florida State University fraternity party.

Florida also makes it easy to plead self-defense in a killing. Under then-Gov. Jeb Bush, the state in 2005 passed a broad "stand your ground" law, which allows Florida residents to use deadly force against a threat without attempting to back down from the situation. (More stringent self-defense laws state that gun owners have "a duty to retreat" before resorting to killing.) In championing the law, former NRA president and longtime Florida gun lobbyist Marion Hammer said: "Through time, in this country, what I like to call bleeding-heart criminal coddlers want you to give a criminal an even break, so that when you're attacked, you're supposed to turn around and run, rather than standing your ground and protecting yourself and your family and your property."

Again, the Sunshine State was the trendsetter: 17 states have since passed "stand your ground" laws, which critics call a "license to kill" or a "shoot first" law. The law has been unpopular with law enforcement officers in Florida, since it makes it much more difficult to charge shooters with a crime and has regularly confounded juries in murder cases; many Orlando-area cops reportedly have given up investigating "self-defense" cases as a result, referring them to the overloaded state Attorney's Office for action. A 2010 study by the Tampa Bay Times found that "justifiable homicides" had tripled in the state since the law went into effect.

Slate's Emily Bazelon has more background on the evolution of "stand your ground," its predecessor (the "castle doctrine"), and why Zimmerman hasn't yet been arrested and charged.

http://motherjones.com/politics/2012/03/what-happened-trayvon-martin-explained

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Sigh... I am following a 25 page thread on Bullshido about this incident.

The cool thing about that forum is that there are quite a few LEO's & attorney's on that site. If you want some chuckles and a completly different perspective on this story (and you have some time to kill)... check this link out:

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=115463

My other favorite forum, btw.

I dare one of ya to start trolling there.
In fact, I double dog dare you to troll that site.

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Self defense? The pigs don't even seem interested in investigating.

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No, it was directed at frvcvs, who will likely never get over his OWS/UC Davis butthurt and faults local law enforcement who, at least in my anti-gun view, are doing the right thing by dumping these cases on the State, from whence the problem came.

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No, it was directed at frvcvs, who will likely never get over his OWS/UC Davis butthurt and faults local law enforcement who, at least in my anti-gun view, are doing the right thing by dumping these cases on the State, from whence the problem came.

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I've hated cops long before OWS. They're nothing but glorified secretaries with power complexes who do little about crime beyond file reports. They'll flex their muscles on minorities from time to time when they get bored and when you do something heinous like roll a stop sign or have a tail light thats out but if you're the victim of a crime they'll file a report and not much else. I have a lot of faith in firefighters and EMT's, they do nothing but help people but I really don't see the police doing much good. They're more effective as a revenue source for local governments than anything.

When was the last time a cop did anything good for you? They're glorified meter maids with guns and badges.

For example last time I called the 911 was for a domestic dispute across the street. They showed up 3hrs later long after the brawling couple was gone and woke me up at 3am and grilled me as if I did something wrong.

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No, it was directed at frvcvs, who will likely never get over his OWS/UC Davis butthurt and faults local law enforcement who, at least in my anti-gun view, are doing the right thing by dumping these cases on the State, from whence the problem came.

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I've hated cops long before OWS. They're nothing but glorified secretaries with power complexes who do little about crime beyond file reports. They'll flex their muscles on minorities from time to time when they get bored and when you do something heinous like roll a stop sign or have a tail light thats out but if you're the victim of a crime they'll file a report and not much else. I have a lot of faith in firefighters and EMT's, they do nothing but help people but I really don't see the police doing much good. They're more effective as a revenue source for local governments than anything.

When was the last time a cop did anything good for you? They're glorified meter maids with guns and badges.

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Dude.... are you trolling?
You can't be that fvcking stupid.
I mean, yeah, there are some LEO's that are a-holes out there, but most are good guys doing their job.
You've never had a buddy who was a LEO before, have you?

I guess you would need to have friends first though, to qualify for my above question.

Honestly, that had to be one of the stupidest comments you have ever made on this forum and it made you sound like a 12 year old.

If you ever wonder why you are alienated on this forum, it's because of your idiotic statements like the one I just quoted from you.

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Why would you call the cops if you have such disdain for them?

Maybe that Florida law isn't such a bad idea...

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Why would you call the cops if you have such disdain for them?

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Yeah exactly. Maybe we should all act like vigilantes if they're not going to respond to crimes in progress.

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I've hated cops long before OWS. They're nothing but glorified secretaries with power complexes who do little about crime beyond file reports. They'll flex their muscles on minorities from time to time when they get bored and when you do something heinous like roll a stop sign or have a tail light thats out but if you're the victim of a crime they'll file a report and not much else. I have a lot of faith in firefighters and EMT's, they do nothing but help people but I really don't see the police doing much good. They're more effective as a revenue source for local governments than anything.

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Dude.... are you trolling?
You can't be that fvcking stupid.
I mean, yeah, there are some LEO's that are a-holes out there, but most are good guys doing their job.
You've never had a buddy who was a LEO before, have you?

I guess you would need to have friends first though, to qualify for my above question.

Honestly, that had to be one of the stupidest comments you have ever made on this forum and it made you sound like a 12 year old.

If you ever wonder why you are alienated on this forum, it's because of your idiotic statements like the one I just quoted from you.

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Yeah exactly. Maybe we should all act like vigilantes if they're not going to respond to crimes in progress.

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Why not? Our govt is making the transition from soldiers to mercenaries to handle our dirty work. Then again, with the latter, you don't feel as bad when they're hung by their toes and charred.

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1. I've hated cops long before OWS. They're nothing but glorified secretaries with power complexes who do little about crime beyond file reports. They'll flex their muscles on minorities from time to time when they get bored and when you do something heinous like roll a stop sign or have a tail light thats out but if you're the victim of a crime they'll file a report and not much else. I have a lot of faith in firefighters and EMT's, they do nothing but help people but I really don't see the police doing much good. They're more effective as a revenue source for local governments than anything.

2. When was the last time a cop did anything good for you? They're glorified meter maids with guns and badges.

3. For example last time I called the 911 was for a domestic dispute across the street. They showed up 3hrs later long after the brawling couple was gone and woke me up at 3am and grilled me as if I did something wrong.

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Uh... if someone wanted to argue pro stricter gun control, claiming the police are utterly ineffective seems like perhaps not the best tactic in the world.



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Where is that photo of IBG's ex in the naughty cop uniform?

Keenfish? I know you right clicked that one!

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Uh... if someone wanted to argue pro stricter gun control, claiming the police are utterly ineffective seems like perhaps not the best tactic in the world.



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The only time you have the authority to display your weapon in self defense is when you feel your life (or the life of another) is in imminent danger of being killed or suffering great bodily injury.

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hey stinkeye,
you gotta come around here more often
"warning shots" is like "stocked"
kinda erbb stupidity and sh*t

oh, and kento posted it
so, you know, more erbb, well, not stupidity, but not to be taken seriously

so, ya, anyway
glad you stopped by
don't forget this place is full of crap
oh, and malarcus is back, so stick around, it can get fun here sometimes
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oh, and kento posted it
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oh, and kento posted it
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Yeah sorry to give you the memo late, but FRVCS is our resident "edgy" hipster. He had a rough childhood being hassled by the cops as a whiteboy in Connecticut or whatever.







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LOL. I came here after reading about this story on a hunch that our friend of the 2nd amendment, frvcvs would be posting some BS about this case.. Guess I was right.

I haven't read any of the replies here.. I'll just state some facts.

1. Stand your ground laws are a GOOD thing. Even pansy ass liberal CA has a stand your ground law. It is insane that you would have to be forced to try and retreat from an attack before using self defense. That is ridiculous. If you are being/about to be attacked you should not have to try and "retreat" before defending yourself. That is what gets you killed.

People are ignoring some major issues here. Stand your ground laws work in accordance WITH self defense laws. You can NOT came self defense if you are the aggressor, which is certainly "seems" is the case here. For example, I can't come up to you and start talking poop, being aggressive, etc. Even without throwing a punch I would be considered the aggressor. If you then decided to attack me and I killed you I could not claim self-defense, as the attack would never have happened if it was not for my instigating the incident.

The stand your ground law allows people to defend themselves without ridiculous requirements that put them at risk. It allows them to be free from arrest (in some cases) until things are hashed out.

If what all the reports are saying is true, then Zimmerman is a POS and needs to fry for this. It sounds pretty cut and dry that he was the aggressor and therefore can not claim self defense.

Keep in mind this is also a RARE example of a CCW holder acting in this manner. You can't possibly blame CCW and/or stand your ground laws for an idiot being an idiot.

My guess.. This guy will be charged with murder once all is said and done.

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Aside for stinkeye and a few others I'm willing to bet I've trained more with firearms than most of the wannabe John Wayne's around these parts. And in my eyes it's still not enough, got a lot more to do. Stinkeye don't see eye to eye most things but I'm willing to bet he'd agree with me on the importance of proper training if you intend to own a gun for self defense.

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I'm not saying concealed carry permits shouldn't exist. Just saying more regulations should exist to keep people like George Zimmerman from getting them.

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Then your for liberalizing CCW's in CA. In this state, you have to be rich, politically connected and or famous to get a permit. You can have a completely clean background and be able to survive any background check and you will get a denial. There is no amount of jumping through hoops/training that will give you a legal right to carry. It's for the elite. Their lives are important. The rest of us, not so much. I remember at one point reading of a few highly prominent anti-gun activists that had permits.

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