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Billy Hamilton status
Reged: 11/14/04
Posts: 1638
Loc: Virginia Beach, VA
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It's a crowded average day at your local beach break. surfer going for the wave looks over his shoulder paddles a little north and and the puts his head down and paddles dead at you.
his responsibility to look up or your responsibility to move?
this question is specific for average, waist to chest beach break. nothing critical at all.
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avt__
Gerry Lopez status
Reged: 07/15/11
Posts: 986
Loc: Santa Barbara, CA
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It's a crowded average day at your local beach break. surfer going for the wave looks over his shoulder paddles a little north and and the puts his head down and paddles dead at you.
his responsibility to look up or your responsibility to move?
this question is specific for average, waist to chest beach break. nothing critical at all.
IMHO this is kind of like getting snaked & dropped in on by two different people at the same time. It's a bad situation, and everyone is responsible. I'd apologize & paddle somewhere less crowded if I was either guy.
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VCaba21
Gerry Lopez status
Reged: 03/06/06
Posts: 1077
Loc: South OC
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I'd get out of the way..........sloooowly. I hate when people paddle around me our if I'm siting in the line up waiting for my turn, and they paddle directly outside of me, turn around and paddle right at me.       
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FishFace
Michael Peterson status
Reged: 08/07/09
Posts: 2899
Loc: Del Mar, CA
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both are responsible. you should move for your own safety because you have no idea if that guy is gonna look up... happened to me a few times last week when i was slugging around on my log.
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LoneWolf
Legend (inyourownmind)
Reged: 07/06/11
Posts: 303
Loc: SD
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sounds like a situation where teamwork makes the dream work.
it's his job to look up and ensure he isn't running anyone over
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it's your job to get out of his way.
in your situation he knew where you were sitting and paddled right at you. pretty dick move, especially for beachbreak, but ya you should make an effort to get out of the way anyways.
problem with surfing etiquette is everyone learned a different set of rules at different breaks and at different times. all variables which will effect how they behave in the water. so i always try to adapt to the crowd and the waves on hand for the day.
even then it's still pretty easy to tell when someone is being a dick in the lineup. and sometimes with crowds you have to be one.. but everyone should be making an effort to not have to go there.
so the lesson learned is, don't be a dick if you don't have to be. 
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VaB
Billy Hamilton status
Reged: 11/14/04
Posts: 1638
Loc: Virginia Beach, VA
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all good answers. thanks.
I will paddle my ass off to get out of the way for a surfer who either a) has the right of way or b) takes a look to see whats going on.
For some reason, here in VB its culture to look down and paddle. I don't think he knew I was there until the last minute. I just don't get this and it drives me nuts when people do it.
I think if you are at any break where it actually matters, then you should get out of the way... but this.. this is bs... just needed some opinions. thanks.
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kurtisp
Grom
Reged: 01/14/11
Posts: 75
Loc: Ankle High Ln, East Coast
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I'd paddle 'slightly' out of harms way and force a little eye contact. That should tell you all you'd like to know.
This is almost as annoying as steadfastly paddling against current to stay on a sandbar and you see, say some loggers watch you from shore, paddle out opposite side and intentionally drift right in all up cozy on ya, usually in groups of 2's or 3's. Can see it coming a mile a way from the beach and I'm already giving them poop eye to no effect.  Intermittently, they catch a wave after they conveniently drift into peak position and then walk up to shore and around and do it all over again b/c they are too farkin lazy to stay in any one position.
Sharing is caring but I'm working my fvkin ass off here.
And then I remember
Its generally inconsequential because our waves suck.
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donniedarko
Michael Peterson status
Reged: 07/26/04
Posts: 2004
Loc: The Coast
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I guage everything on how well the guy surfs. That said position is possession. If guy is handling I let him do his thing. If Im surfing strong and handling Im gonna do my thing. Some clown starts trying to start jocking me like its a heat and he's copping a shvtty attitude Im not tripping on getting my surf on at his expense.. sounds lame but its dog eat dog.
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Havoc
Tom Curren status
Reged: 09/10/07
Posts: 10000
Loc: The OC Life
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I guage everything on how well the guy surfs. That said position is possession. If guy is handling I let him do his thing. If Im surfing strong and handling Im gonna do my thing. Some clown starts trying to start jocking me like its a heat and he's copping a shvtty attitude Im not tripping on getting my surf on at his expense.. sounds lame but its dog eat dog.
this!
been too nice to overly aggressive surfers who can't surf worth chit but for some crazy reason think they rip. (kinda sounds like me  ). if they suck, no matter where they are, if they backpaddle me, I'm going.
you should have just spun right in front of him and started paddling for same wave and blocked him.
on a side note, if some guy spins underneath you to block you from taking off outside, is it in your right to just run them over?
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teeroi
Nep status
Reged: 10/21/07
Posts: 947
Loc: eastside oahu
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The places I surf you have to keep an eye on the wave. It might run away from you and it might barrel on top of you so I always look back at what the wave is doing. The best is to commit early and start paddling so the line-up knows I'm going. Then they usually get out of the way. The last month I've paddled on top of a friend and got my hand stuck on someone's leash and went over the falls. So it's hard in a crowded line-up but those were partly my fault for not looking in front.
If someone commits to a wave I paddle out of their way usually try to paddle inside of them instead of the shoulder. It helps put me in position for the next one if there is a next one.
Working the crowd is almost as important as being a good wave rider for a surfer these days.
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Luddite
Michael Peterson status
Reged: 05/21/10
Posts: 2510
Loc: New Zealand
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force a little eye contact.
How does one do that?
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MACFISH
Gerry Lopez status
Reged: 05/29/07
Posts: 1020
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...on a side note, if some guy spins underneath you to block you from taking off outside, is it in your right to just run them over?
Slant your take off and drop in over their shoulder if you can. A lot of people seem to think that they can spin and get in front of you when you are already paddling and committed. I try my hardest to keep this from happening via an the "angled right-over-their shoulder" drop in; they usually eat it. I've had couple people get mad at me for doing this, but I remind them of their behavior and they usually shut up and paddle away.
That said, I have been burned and it will happen again. Just too crowded sometimes. Last Saturday, a guy dropped in on me and when I said "hey", he fell and shot his board right at me. I didn't need to say a thing to him though because his buddies ripped him a new one for it. I just laughed and went back to my line-up spot.
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kurtisp
Grom
Reged: 01/14/11
Posts: 75
Loc: Ankle High Ln, East Coast
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"how does one force eye contact?"
Try subtle verbal or other sensory stimuli
Or
In your case, turn your 17 ft viking water craft (while wearing a groovy bright orange jumpsuit and helmet)in a crowded line up effectively creating enough white wash to capsize other nearby vessels.
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cheyenne33
Grom
Reged: 05/13/08
Posts: 54
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Happens all the time, depends on my intentions- if I intend to go and I am in the sweet spot of the wave then I'm turning and paddlin for my wave. If I'm not goin then I'll move a bit to the side but not kill myself to get totally out of his way. He knows your there and it would be ok to paddle over but make some eye contact with you to see if your trying to take it or sittin. There is a flake at a local point break who back paddles people all the time and will run over the back of your legs cuz he will back paddle you then turn right behind you and drive for the ride. He;s had his leash pulled and his dark brown teeth smacked more than once. Not advocating that but bullying people off the peak or paddling your tri fins over someones legs is very uncool. Lets all be safe and ride more waves.
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Tom Curren status
Reged: 02/20/03
Posts: 14799
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last time some dork began paddling straight at me without looking to see his nose was about to jab me in the shoulder, i grabbed his nose and pushed it underwater. i said nothing. he said nothing.
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VCaba21
Gerry Lopez status
Reged: 03/06/06
Posts: 1077
Loc: South OC
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last time some dork began paddling straight at me without looking to see his nose was about to jab me in the shoulder, i grabbed his nose and pushed it underwater. i said nothing. he said nothing.
 
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