avt__
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Is it possible to design a small wave board, 2ft/under, similar to Coil Megamind or Firewire Sweet Potato, that doesn't feel "skatey"?
I generally hate this feel in boards. Would rather have something flowing, something that wants to carve, instead.
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retodd
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like a bumble bee bonzer
the center fin will make it stable and secure and also give " hinge " like feel in turns
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avt__
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like a bumble bee bonzer
the center fin will make it stable and secure and also give " hinge " like feel in turns
IMO
Hmm. That's a possibility.
Although it doesn't seem like it'll go in quite as small stuff as the SP/MM will. And I'm reluctant to ride a Bonzer in small/shitty surf because they don't like to pivot as much.
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retodd
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make a mild V bottom ( nose to tail ) Xtra wide fish
normal fin placement on the front fins , 4 rears ( on rail / mckee )
have a center plug at the center of the swallow tail for a nub/trailer
should get you the pivot and hold you want
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need 4 speed
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silentbutdeadly
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I think to get rid of the skateyness you should bring in the tail a bit and go with a quad or thruster setup.
IMO, the big twins in small wave boards make it feel skatey
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hackeysaky
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rdj/gallery's "variant" design with speed dialer fins fits this ticket IMO. I rode his demo a lot last summer. While it has the width to plane and skate, it likes driving and being on rail as well... hence the reason why I'm getting one from him for this summer; it feels like "real surfing" even when it is knee- to thigh-high.
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on my small wave boards, I like the tail wide and flat
different strokes...
for me, sometimes quads lack the drive I like
and tri's aren't my thing, especially in small surf
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revolutionsurfer
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Is it possible to design a small wave board, 2ft/under, similar to Coil Megamind or Firewire Sweet Potato, that doesn't feel "skatey"?
I generally hate this feel in boards. Would rather have something flowing, something that wants to carve, instead.
Softer rails and rounder bottoms. Leave the tail wide.
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averagejoe
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saltyNuts
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Would someone please define "skatey". To me this term is loosely thrown about in designing small wave groveling equipment.
No disrespect to avt here or anyone for that matter. I may just need some clarification on the term at hand.
To me this would define a board that can plane and hold speed on fat mushy waves with no push. But still able to be put on rail and surf top to bottom.
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avt__
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Would someone please define "skatey". To me this term is loosely thrown about in designing small wave groveling equipment.
No disrespect to avt here or anyone for that matter. I may just need some clarification on the term at hand.
To me this would define a board that can plane and hold speed on fat mushy waves with no push. But still able to be put on rail and surf top to bottom.
Here's what it means to me.
Skatey is when a board likes to turn by pushing on your back foot, and pivoting around a certain point, like you would a skateboard. Instead of pushing with both feet, leaning in toward your turn, and twisting your hips/lower body.
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grendel95
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A couple come to mind and if you're surfing where I think you are in Santa Barbara then these might be good:
...lost Rocket/Grocket
CI flyer (thruster)
Tomo Nano
You might also consider lowering volume on what you mentioned so the boards don't ride so high in the water - but you better be a fast paddler.
PM me, a couple other boards I haven't ridden come to mind.
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avt__
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A couple come to mind and if you're surfing where I think you are in Santa Barbara then these might be good:
...lost Rocket/Grocket
CI flyer (thruster)
Tomo Nano
You might also consider lowering volume on what you mentioned so the boards don't ride so high in the water - but you better be a fast paddler.
PM me, a couple other boards I haven't ridden come to mind.
I think those are all for bigger waves than a Sweet Potato or Megamind.
I'm specifically looking for a board where you'd go something like 12" shorter than HPSB, 2" wider. For thigh high & below strictly. For what it's worth, not really looking for a glide/fish/longboard type feel either.
Wondering mostly if it's impossible to make a board like that.
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grendel95
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Wondering mostly if it's impossible to make a board like that.
Maybe as a stand up surfboard...but drop to your knees and the greenough spoon becomes an option.
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like a bumble bee bonzer
the center fin will make it stable and secure and also give " hinge " like feel in turns
IMO
bublebee is good in small waves but still needs a little push to get speed because it has no built in speed like i hope a MBLV has  I am thinking about going w/ this hopefully by the end of the year 
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Havoc
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Is it possible to design a small wave board, 2ft/under, similar to Coil Megamind or Firewire Sweet Potato, that doesn't feel "skatey"?
I generally hate this feel in boards. Would rather have something flowing, something that wants to carve, instead.
brownfish handplane.
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Longboard
lol yup. try it wide point back with meaty hips for the slop
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ifallalot
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Is it possible to design a small wave board, 2ft/under, similar to Coil Megamind or Firewire Sweet Potato, that doesn't feel "skatey"?
I generally hate this feel in boards. Would rather have something flowing, something that wants to carve, instead.
brownfish handplane.
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heelnipstr
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like a bumble bee bonzer
the center fin will make it stable and secure and also give " hinge " like feel in turns
IMO
bublebee is good in small waves but still needs a little push to get speed because it has no built in speed like i hope a MBLV has I am thinking about going w/ this hopefully by the end of the year
this is what I was going to respond with to retodds suggestion. mini B5
not skatey. does pivot really well much better than the octafish I had. stays in the pocket on smallish curly quick waves.
really fun.
get it smaller than you think, it is wide and carries a lot of foam.
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thelodge
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I love skatey boards.
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rowjimmytour
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like a bumble bee bonzer
the center fin will make it stable and secure and also give " hinge " like feel in turns
IMO
bublebee is good in small waves but still needs a little push to get speed because it has no built in speed like i hope a MBLV has I am thinking about going w/ this hopefully by the end of the year
this is what I was going to respond with to retodds suggestion. mini B5
not skatey. does pivot really well much better than the octafish I had. stays in the pocket on smallish curly quick waves.
really fun.
get it smaller than you think, it is wide and carries a lot of foam.
How do ya size this? I am 5'8" 160# 42 years old and my bumblebee is 5'6" so I was thinking around 5'2"-5'4" 21-1/4-21" and 2-3/8"-2-1/2".
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FishFace
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my 5'11 bonzer light vehicle is skatey but not twin fin skatey...
might be a good choice with a large fin.
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heelnipstr
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like a bumble bee bonzer
the center fin will make it stable and secure and also give " hinge " like feel in turns
IMO
bublebee is good in small waves but still needs a little push to get speed because it has no built in speed like i hope a MBLV has I am thinking about going w/ this hopefully by the end of the year
this is what I was going to respond with to retodds suggestion. mini B5
not skatey. does pivot really well much better than the octafish I had. stays in the pocket on smallish curly quick waves.
really fun.
get it smaller than you think, it is wide and carries a lot of foam.
How do ya size this? I am 5'8" 160# 42 years old and my bumblebee is 5'6" so I was thinking around 5'2"-5'4" 21-1/4-21" and 2-3/8"-2-1/2".
I am 6'1 180lbs 51 old
mine is 5'7 20 7/8ish 25/8 foiled
Next one for me 5'6 20 3/4(maybe) 2 3/8
want less volume and maybe less nose(strange, but when paddling the nose seems too much  )
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I love skatey boards.
me too
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rowjimmytour
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like a bumble bee bonzer
the center fin will make it stable and secure and also give " hinge " like feel in turns
IMO
bublebee is good in small waves but still needs a little push to get speed because it has no built in speed like i hope a MBLV has I am thinking about going w/ this hopefully by the end of the year
this is what I was going to respond with to retodds suggestion. mini B5
not skatey. does pivot really well much better than the octafish I had. stays in the pocket on smallish curly quick waves.
really fun.
get it smaller than you think, it is wide and carries a lot of foam.
How do ya size this? I am 5'8" 160# 42 years old and my bumblebee is 5'6" so I was thinking around 5'2"-5'4" 21-1/4-21" and 2-3/8"-2-1/2".
I am 6'1 180lbs 51 old
mine is 5'7 20 7/8ish 25/8 foiled
Next one for me 5'6 20 3/4(maybe) 2 3/8
want less volume and maybe less nose(strange, but when paddling the nose seems too much )
Is the nose issue w/ you because you don't surf other round nose boards or you really feel the nose gets in the way? I surf a robber, MP hull, and my 9' noserider all w/ round noses and make a tiny adjustment to my paddling but don't find it that big of a deal  Also thanks for the sizing info now I am thinking 5'2" 20-1/2" 2-3/8" but before I ordered I would listen to MC input 
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b123
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White Diamond? I love mine and wouldn't really classify it as "skatey"
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rowjimmytour
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White Diamond? I love mine and wouldn't really classify it as "skatey"
Agree after watching Bobby Morris a lot at my local break and think the skatey title might have more to do w/ surfer then the board some times
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GWS
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I think skatey is in the feet of the individual surfer. I'd call the MBLV skatey but hooked up.
Wide noses on little tiny boards are sometimes a pain to paddle in chop. The rocker is low and the nose is up there plowing, blowing water into your face. Clean conditions I don't notice it so much.
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heelnipstr
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like a bumble bee bonzer
the center fin will make it stable and secure and also give " hinge " like feel in turns
IMO
bublebee is good in small waves but still needs a little push to get speed because it has no built in speed like i hope a MBLV has I am thinking about going w/ this hopefully by the end of the year
this is what I was going to respond with to retodds suggestion. mini B5
not skatey. does pivot really well much better than the octafish I had. stays in the pocket on smallish curly quick waves.
really fun.
get it smaller than you think, it is wide and carries a lot of foam.
How do ya size this? I am 5'8" 160# 42 years old and my bumblebee is 5'6" so I was thinking around 5'2"-5'4" 21-1/4-21" and 2-3/8"-2-1/2".
I am 6'1 180lbs 51 old
mine is 5'7 20 7/8ish 25/8 foiled
Next one for me 5'6 20 3/4(maybe) 2 3/8
want less volume and maybe less nose(strange, but when paddling the nose seems too much )
Is the nose issue w/ you because you don't surf other round nose boards or you really feel the nose gets in the way? I surf a robber, MP hull, and my 9' noserider all w/ round noses and make a tiny adjustment to my paddling but don't find it that big of a deal Also thanks for the sizing info now I am thinking 5'2" 20-1/2" 2-3/8" but before I ordered I would listen to MC input
nah, rounded noses are closer to normal for me(Tomo's, short and longer hulls)maybe the choppy conditions I typically have make it seem so, as GWS mentions, the glassy days I don't remember noticing it
when I did notice it, the nose just seemed unnessary, maybe would prefer it to be blunter. Have never caught the front rail or pearled when the fin it set right.
 nose•girl
all the knobs and buttons are standard
n. /NOZ-gurl/
1. A woman whose nose doesn't conform to the stereotypical ideal of feminine beauty.
2. A woman whose beauty is enhanced or accentuated by her large or uniquely shaped nose.
sorry, starting to feel giddy trip to El Sal is getting close and maybe I am just being a little picky
also The Tomo V3 I had was the definition of skatey for me.
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rowjimmytour
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like a bumble bee bonzer
the center fin will make it stable and secure and also give " hinge " like feel in turns
IMO
bublebee is good in small waves but still needs a little push to get speed because it has no built in speed like i hope a MBLV has I am thinking about going w/ this hopefully by the end of the year
this is what I was going to respond with to retodds suggestion. mini B5
not skatey. does pivot really well much better than the octafish I had. stays in the pocket on smallish curly quick waves.
really fun.
get it smaller than you think, it is wide and carries a lot of foam.
How do ya size this? I am 5'8" 160# 42 years old and my bumblebee is 5'6" so I was thinking around 5'2"-5'4" 21-1/4-21" and 2-3/8"-2-1/2".
I am 6'1 180lbs 51 old
mine is 5'7 20 7/8ish 25/8 foiled
Next one for me 5'6 20 3/4(maybe) 2 3/8
want less volume and maybe less nose(strange, but when paddling the nose seems too much )
Is the nose issue w/ you because you don't surf other round nose boards or you really feel the nose gets in the way? I surf a robber, MP hull, and my 9' noserider all w/ round noses and make a tiny adjustment to my paddling but don't find it that big of a deal Also thanks for the sizing info now I am thinking 5'2" 20-1/2" 2-3/8" but before I ordered I would listen to MC input
nah, rounded noses are closer to normal for me(Tomo's, short and longer hulls)maybe the choppy conditions I typically have make it seem so, as GWS mentions, the glassy days I don't remember noticing it
when I did notice it, the nose just seemed unnessary, maybe would prefer it to be blunter. Have never caught the front rail or pearled when the fin it set right.
nose•girl
all the knobs and buttons are standard
n. /NOZ-gurl/
1. A woman whose nose doesn't conform to the stereotypical ideal of feminine beauty.
2. A woman whose beauty is enhanced or accentuated by her large or uniquely shaped nose.
sorry, starting to feel giddy trip to El Sal is getting close and maybe I am just being a little picky
also The Tomo V3 I had was the definition of skatey for me.
Sweet score big time down in ES  Ya bringing your MBLV for the trip?
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heelnipstr
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like a bumble bee bonzer
the center fin will make it stable and secure and also give " hinge " like feel in turns
IMO
bublebee is good in small waves but still needs a little push to get speed because it has no built in speed like i hope a MBLV has I am thinking about going w/ this hopefully by the end of the year
this is what I was going to respond with to retodds suggestion. mini B5
not skatey. does pivot really well much better than the octafish I had. stays in the pocket on smallish curly quick waves.
really fun.
get it smaller than you think, it is wide and carries a lot of foam.
How do ya size this? I am 5'8" 160# 42 years old and my bumblebee is 5'6" so I was thinking around 5'2"-5'4" 21-1/4-21" and 2-3/8"-2-1/2".
I am 6'1 180lbs 51 old
mine is 5'7 20 7/8ish 25/8 foiled
Next one for me 5'6 20 3/4(maybe) 2 3/8
want less volume and maybe less nose(strange, but when paddling the nose seems too much )
Is the nose issue w/ you because you don't surf other round nose boards or you really feel the nose gets in the way? I surf a robber, MP hull, and my 9' noserider all w/ round noses and make a tiny adjustment to my paddling but don't find it that big of a deal Also thanks for the sizing info now I am thinking 5'2" 20-1/2" 2-3/8" but before I ordered I would listen to MC input
nah, rounded noses are closer to normal for me(Tomo's, short and longer hulls)maybe the choppy conditions I typically have make it seem so, as GWS mentions, the glassy days I don't remember noticing it
when I did notice it, the nose just seemed unnessary, maybe would prefer it to be blunter. Have never caught the front rail or pearled when the fin it set right.
nose•girl
all the knobs and buttons are standard
n. /NOZ-gurl/
1. A woman whose nose doesn't conform to the stereotypical ideal of feminine beauty.
2. A woman whose beauty is enhanced or accentuated by her large or uniquely shaped nose.
sorry, starting to feel giddy trip to El Sal is getting close and maybe I am just being a little picky
also The Tomo V3 I had was the definition of skatey for me.
Sweet score big time down in ES Ya bringing your MBLV for the trip?
decide on what to bring at the last second, candidates are:
mini B5
Tomo V2
5'10 Bulkley quad
6'3 Bulkley Hipster
I doubt I will bring 6'5 B5 step-up but if the models suggest... it can be coerced.
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saltyNuts
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I think skatey is in the feet of the individual surfer. I'd call the MBLV skatey but hooked up.
Wide noses on little tiny boards are sometimes a pain to paddle in chop. The rocker is low and the nose is up there plowing, blowing water into your face. Clean conditions I don't notice it so much.
well put!
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