surfflexx
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How you wondered about the benefits of a paleo diet, is it right for you? Would Fred Flintsone survive in a George Jetson world? Here is a research backed article that I published in Fitness RX mag that you may find of interest.
http://www.paulfrediani.com/pdf/FitnessRX_Jan2012_Warrior_Paleolithic_Diet.pdf
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donniedarko
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Paleo diet has shown it self to be very effective... I suggest it to my clients. Also many MMA fighter use it to cut weight, Mike Dolce uses his version of it to help his fighters cut weight and stay lean
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PaleoLITHIC diet article looks good PF. My abs are looking good in there; the crunches and diet changes seem to be working. LOL. Seriously, nice article Flexx
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I remember hearing dr. dean on the radio talk about stuff like this.
He even wondered if it would be better to eat one big meal a day vs. light meals throughout the day 
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gracepark
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I know tons of people who do it and swear by it. I just can't do it, though. Too lazy. Makes sense somewhat, but it's too limiting for me and I wouldn't be able to eat cheese or carbs, which pretty much eliminates my favorite food group - burritos.
Many of them say they eat a few big meals and do not snack or eat light meals in between.
Is it supposed to increase your athletic performance??
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I've been ~75% Paleo since late February. I've lost 10 lbs. I don't feel any different. I have totally cut out dairy (except for a few pieces of pizza a couple of weeks ago), and I don't eat any bread or desert. My beer consumption has been cut by about 70%. Pretty much no sugar. Eating many more vegetables and bought a hibachi, which I use pretty much ever day for grilled ground beef, pork, shrimp, and fish. Eating a lot more nuts, including pistachios, walnuts, and almonds. I've decided I'll still eat chips and salsa... just love that too much to give it up. I can tell that I'll finally get down to ~160/165 lbs, where I should be. I've weighed 175 - 185 for years and I'm 170 now. I imagine I'll be able to ride slightly smaller boards.
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I remember hearing dr. dean on the radio talk about stuff like this.
He even wondered if it would be better to eat one big meal a day vs. light meals throughout the day
I can tell from my personal experience that paleo and big meals as opposed to 6 light meals work, and are perfect when combined together.
I've been on paleo for 3 years and only eat 2-3 meals a day, in an 8 hour window, I can stuff myself till I'm full! I'm not super strict w/ paleo though, the 2 biggest things to eliminate is sugar and bread/paste/grain...
I'm in better shape and feel better now compared to when I was on lean protein, brown rice, whole grain diet, 6 light meals a day, and ran 3 times a week; I never even run anymore. Go figure :so crazy:. And best of all, I save so much time from eating many light meals a day.
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lorcar
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started reading about diets/paleo/etc few months ago. I never cared about it, but since I have high colesterol I started to get interested. And to sum it up: the more I read the more confused I become! seriously.
Here in Italy they tell you since day 1 that eating too many eggs might be dangerous, while all my australian friends have been eating eggs daily forever and they are fine.
Same thing with read meat. Then I read
http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/2009/06/06/saturated-fat/
With Paleo: too difficult for me to cut completely off pasta / cheese, although I am not an avid eater.
I think in this sense Mediterranean diet -being well balanced- is pretty solid.
As far as the ban on cereal: really dont know what to think. Asians have been eating rice forever, and they are healthiest
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I disagree. I was a doctor in Australia. My patients who ate eggs and steaks had high cholesterol just like most people who eat too many eggs and steaks. And hypertension, and coronary artery disease, too.
Overall, it is much more complex than most people understand. You need to find a doctor who has it figured out, and sadly MOST DON'T.
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surfflexx
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Hey Doc
What a beautiful young girl you have! Just found out that I was going to be a grandfather………geez! I mean geezer, already? Anyway, my thoughts about the paleo and I believed I expressed it in my article was that whole grains are essential for good health, and if your going to eat meat try and make it organic. But you know in our society today we take a good concept and go overboard with it. When will we ever learn that moderation is the key?
Lorcar, don’t make it rocket science, just stay away as much as possible from refined foods. Sadly the obesity epidemic has hit Italy as well as the other Mediterranean countries. Fast foods, supermarkets filled with packaged products, people driving more, walking less and voila, fat Italians. I came back from Viareggio a couple of weeks ago and mama mia! I’m not sure how some people can fit into their 500s Fiats. But I did come back with a great recipe for bacala marinato, yum.
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lorcar
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ahahah, true
but to be honest, what do you mean by @reifned foods@? i think my diest is pretty ok, then when I look for improvements I dont know where to start
glad you had great time. Did you see just Viareggio? did you score some surf?
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surfflexx
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Lorcar
Think about what Italians ate back in the 60s. Sure there was parmesano, prosciutto, and pasta, but the majority of foods as I recall as a small child there, were fresh fruit, vegetables, local olive oil, vino, poultry, fish and occasionally red meat. Most of the meat if and when we ate it was visceral, brain, tripe; tongue, cheap at that time. What we didn’t eat was packaged, canned or frozen products. These products require chemicals to maintain their shelf life. My recommendation when looking to improve dietary habits is to look first to removing the artificial.
No surf in Viareggio, well there was a couple of guys out in Forte di Marmi but the waves were 1-2 ft. Wondering when the SUP trend will hit Italy? It would be a great place to paddle.
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hey Doc,
along the lines of high cholesterol... how many eggs in a day would you say is too many? i don't eat too much red meat, but i have two hard boiled eggs every day for breakfast. i had heard that too many eggs were bad then they were fine, and then back and forth.
what's your take? only wonder because i love eggs so much.
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laidback
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Same here,
We have chickens in the back that provide us plenty of eggs
Fresh eggs everyday 
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Autoprax
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JB is so f-in smart when it comes to diet:
http://www.precisionnutrition.com/
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laidback
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JB is so f-in smart when it comes to diet:
http://www.precisionnutrition.com/
so tell us his big 5 secrets.
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ifallalot
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hey Doc,
along the lines of high cholesterol... how many eggs in a day would you say is too many? i don't eat too much red meat, but i have two hard boiled eggs every day for breakfast. i had heard that too many eggs were bad then they were fine, and then back and forth.
what's your take? only wonder because i love eggs so much.
I'd like to hear this too, I eat 2-4 eggs a day; 2 for breakfast everyday, and sometime lunch as well
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surfflexx
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There is 185 milligrams of cholesterol in one egg; daily-recommended cholesterol limit is 300 milligrams. So if you are in the normal range of LDL cholesterol, eggs should be no problem as long as you reduce other sources of cholesterol (ask your doctor). It may also depend on the kind of eggs one consumes; there are more omegas 3 in organic eggs.
In this study one egg a day does not increase chances of cardiovascular disease.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez...Pubmed_RVDocSum
A good article reevaluating the risk of eating eggs
http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/7301/title/Reevaluating_Eggs_Cholesterol_Risks
So the question one maybe asking is, is there a correlation between high cholesterol and coronary heart disease? Some countries with the lowest levels of cholesterol have the highest levels of coronary heart disease according to the MONICA study.
http://www.thincs.org/Malcolm2.htm#sep16-2004
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squidley
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The second biggest crime of this century is the advice to cut back on eating "cholesterol". Just
hearing or reading it gives people an erroneous view of the facts. You don't eat
cholesterol. You make cholesterol .......when you eat fats.
Cholesterol particles are essentially fat, surrounded in a small phospholipid balloon. The liver
creates cholesterol particles. Abundant cholesterol is an absolute requirement of sustaining life.
The question is, or should be, how much fat intake is too much. The answer? It's almost
impossible for you to make fat too large a portion of your diet. The body can get its energy
requirements from ingested fat or from ingested sugar. Ingested fat is a FAR superior food source
than ingested sugar .......FAR.
When modern medical science started examining atherosclerosis and coronary artery disease
cases they noticed an abundance of "cholesterol" particles in among the inflammation and
atherosclerotic plaque. So they reported that people should stop eating "cholesterol".
Government and media diet gurus picked up the gauntlet, and soon this advice became
mainstream. However, further study showed this advice to be total horseshit.
The plaque in atherosclerosis is formed by interior inflammation of the arteries. The cholesterol
particles which collect on this plaque are small dense LDL (sdLDL) particles. The healthiest
people, the ones who eat lots of fat, have livers which produce virtually no sdLDL particles
.....none. The liver produces sdLDL particles when it is diseased due to autoimmune and
metabolic disease, the same conditions which destroy artery walls. These diseases happen when
we ingest foods like sweets, dairy, grassy grains and legumes ......foods which combine simple
sugars with opiate proteins and flavonoids.
Further, these foods are the foods which make people fat. If you want to lose weight, and you cut
back on these foods, the first thing to happen will be an increase in blood cholesterol. This
happens because your body is shifting from consuming these foods to consuming adipose fat.
The problem is that your body is attempting this transition using a liver which has been damaged
by the foods I mentioned above. As time goes by, liver function improves and cholesterol profiles
improve.
http://blog.trackyourplaque.com/
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Autoprax
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JB is so f-in smart when it comes to diet:
http://www.precisionnutrition.com/
so tell us his big 5 secrets.
Then they wouldn't be secrets.
Start here:
http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/nutrition/7habits.htm
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ifallalot
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The second biggest crime of this century is the advice to cut back on eating "cholesterol". Just
hearing or reading it gives people an erroneous view of the facts. You don't eat
cholesterol. You make cholesterol .......when you eat fats.
Cholesterol particles are essentially fat, surrounded in a small phospholipid balloon. The liver
creates cholesterol particles. Abundant cholesterol is an absolute requirement of sustaining life.
The question is, or should be, how much fat intake is too much. The answer? It's almost
impossible for you to make fat too large a portion of your diet. The body can get its energy
requirements from ingested fat or from ingested sugar. Ingested fat is a FAR superior food source
than ingested sugar .......FAR.
When modern medical science started examining atherosclerosis and coronary artery disease
cases they noticed an abundance of "cholesterol" particles in among the inflammation and
atherosclerotic plaque. So they reported that people should stop eating "cholesterol".
Government and media diet gurus picked up the gauntlet, and soon this advice became
mainstream. However, further study showed this advice to be total horseshit.
The plaque in atherosclerosis is formed by interior inflammation of the arteries. The cholesterol
particles which collect on this plaque are small dense LDL (sdLDL) particles. The healthiest
people, the ones who eat lots of fat, have livers which produce virtually no sdLDL particles
.....none. The liver produces sdLDL particles when it is diseased due to autoimmune and
metabolic disease, the same conditions which destroy artery walls. These diseases happen when
we ingest foods like sweets, dairy, grassy grains and legumes ......foods which combine simple
sugars with opiate proteins and flavonoids.
Further, these foods are the foods which make people fat. If you want to lose weight, and you cut
back on these foods, the first thing to happen will be an increase in blood cholesterol. This
happens because your body is shifting from consuming these foods to consuming adipose fat.
The problem is that your body is attempting this transition using a liver which has been damaged
by the foods I mentioned above. As time goes by, liver function improves and cholesterol profiles
improve.
http://blog.trackyourplaque.com/
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You really do know a lot about food science. I'm not being facetious at all, I value your responses
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surfflexx
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"The question is, or should be, how much fat intake is too much. The answer? It's almost
impossible for you to make fat too large a portion of your diet”.
Depends on what type fat one consumes.
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squidley
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"The question is, or should be, how much fat intake is too much. The answer? It's almost
impossible for you to make fat too large a portion of your diet”.
Depends on what type fat one consumes.
We can talk about what kinds of fats are better and what kinds of fats are worse.
But that was not your topic. Your topic was, how much "cholesterol" should we eat. The topic
itself is bunk.
Most of the fats we can eat are far better for us than the sweets, dairy, grassy grains and beans I
mentioned above. To most casual readers "fats" means animal fat, and animal fat is totally good
for us.
Even if I took your bait, and followed you into some esoteric debate on which fats are good and
which fats are bad right here, nobody would read it.
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ElOgro
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Quote:
Quote:
"The question is, or should be, how much fat intake is too much. The answer? It's almost
impossible for you to make fat too large a portion of your diet”.
Depends on what type fat one consumes.
We can talk about what kinds of fats are better and what kinds of fats are worse.
But that was not your topic. Your topic was, how much "cholesterol" should we eat. The topic
itself is bunk.
Most of the fats we can eat are far better for us than the sweets, dairy, grassy grains and beans I
mentioned above. To most casual readers "fats" means animal fat, and animal fat is totally good
for us.
Even if I took your bait, and followed you into some esoteric debate on which fats are good and
which fats are bad right here, nobody would read it.
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You might be surprised at how many would read it. Knowledge not shared is knowledge wasted.
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surfflexx
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Who’s baiting? Geez, don’t you think it’s possible to have discussions and be respectful of other opinions? 
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squidley
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I presented my arguments factually. At SurferMag I am usually treated with hostility. I don't treat
others with hostility. But because of my treatment here, I don't pull punches for anybody.
Practically, I don't consider "trans fats" to be quite the menace portrayed in popular media. Trans
fats come from frying with vegetable oils. The longer and hotter these oils are heated, the more
they convert to trans fats. So if you're going to eat foods fried in vegetable oils try to ensure that
the oils are fresh. The practical alternative to frying with vegetable oils lies in frying with
commercial lard. Commercial lard is treated with powdered limestone. And powdered limestone
presents a greater threat than trans fats. Omega 6 fats from vegetable oils are okay, as long as you
take in plenty of omega 3 fats. Omega 3 fats are abundant in predator fish, and are adequately
represented in fatty red meat.
Why are fats so important? First, as I said, fats are a far superior source of energy than the
alternative, sugars. Again, cholesterol particles are fats wrapped in a balloon of phospholipids.
The reason why the liver makes cholesterol this way is that cell membranes are largely made of
phospholipids. When a cholesterol particle touches a cell which needs the particle, the outer cell
wall parts. The cell wall incorporates the fresh phospholipids, and the cytosol (cell fluid) absorbs
the fats. Omega 3 fats and vitamin D then act as vehicles for the removal of spent phospholipids.
Sugar, food opiates and flavonoids are the primary causes of the diseases of modern man
......obesity, autoimmune diseases, metabolic diseases and cancer. I've gained some knowledge
about these foods and how they cause these diseases and conditions. As one might expect, a
person who places the evils of these foods above the evils of "bad" fats is going to develop more
knowledge in the bad-foods area than in the bad-fats area.
Nerves operate behind what is commonly called the blood brain barrier (BBB). The diseases
caused by bad foods happen when these foods interact with nerves. The BBB is not really a
barrier at all. It is mostly comprised of the fact that, unlike other cells, nerves operate in a
hydrophobic environment ......an environment which is controlled and replenished by fats.
Dropping fats from your diet facilitates all of the diseases of modern man, the ones caused by
sugars, opiates and flavonoids.
The aspect I appreciate most about the paleolithic diet is its simplistic popular appeal .....Eat
like a caveman. Anyone who wants a deeper emersion into the theories underlying the paleolithic diet,
Dr. Jack Kruse is, hands down, the Oracle of Paleo.
http://jackkruse.com/jacks-blog/
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surfflexx
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What? You’re treated with hostility at the Surfermag forum? LOL! It’s a shooting gallery over there, stay the hec away. I think you’ll find that most people that write in to the Surf Doc are genuinely looking for good advice. I for one certainly appreciate your contribution.
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Autoprax
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Squidly,
I think you are simplifying things.
What you do changes the rules. The human body is amazingly adaptable.
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donniedarko
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The primal approach to diet speaks to eating as many earth grown nutrients, and eliminating processed foods. Ive lost nearly 30 lbs and gained 12 in muscle but I have also been training aggresively.
You guys want to hear some knowledge from experts in the field. Mark Sisson. Nate Miyaki. Mike Dolce. These guys deal with elite athletes from MMA to MLB to IFBB athletes, and then normal fat business people who dont have 'time' to take care of themselves.
I myself am an ex pro athlete, and also work as a fitness professional and until I completely embraced a sound diet protocol it was all for naught. Surfing. Better. Training. Way better. Headspace. Through the roof
Any white or processed foods promote inflammation, hypoglycemic rebound, and a litany of other crap that in the long term can kill you, in the short term make you less of yourself. I was 243 at my worst and 21% bf now 216 and 10.8% bf, and its mostly diet. Truth is its 80% diet which any qualified CPT and nutritionist will tell you...
Dolce and Narte both speak to cheat or earned meal days which are important, also about intermittent fasting. Amazing stuff. PM if you want some reading about Nate he is really on it. Mike is getting famous and his stuff is all over the internet.
Good Luck
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surfflexx
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Mark Sisson a bit too extreme for my taste. Mike Dolce great for competitive athletes not so sure I”d want it for the layperon. Nate Miyaki, I like his common sense approch to carbs. His nutritional advice is something everyone can live with.
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Autoprax
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Yeah, but people of Asian decent can digest rice better than than those of European decent.
Northern Europeans digest dairy better than Asians.
Some food digests better with some processing.
A lot of the success of the Palieo diet comes from having a plan and sticking to it.
Another interesting fact about the Palieo is that there is not enough unprocessed meat and veggies to feed everyone.
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surfflexx
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I agree most Asian digest rice better, northern Europeans digest diary better, Italians digest pasta better, Mexicans digest legumes better, eskimo's fish blubber, etc. It’s because they’ve adapted to their diet. How long the human genome adapts to dietary change is a question that scientists argue about. In fact we can’t be certain about what Paleolithic man/women ate, but we can be certain what they did not eat. Refined flour, salt, sugar, hydrogenated oils and milk.
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averagejoe
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Mark Sisson a bit too extreme for my taste. Mike Dolce great for competitive athletes not so sure I”d want it for the layperon. Nate Miyaki, I like his common sense approch to carbs. His nutritional advice is something everyone can live with.
i read a bunch of the articles on nate's page and i like his message. thanks for posting up his name. i've been kicking around the idea of heading towards paleo but it doesn't seem super practical. giving up beans is going to be the hardest for me b/c i LOVE burritos  although i couldnt give a sh!t less about tortillas
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surfflexx
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Forget that! Give up burritos? No way. When paleolitic man/women discovered fire who's to say they didin’t cook tubers, corn and beans? In different parts of the world they ate varied diets. Beware of the hype and make sure you have jalapeno’s in those burritos. Ole!!
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SurfDoc
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I keep saying...isn't it paleolitHic?
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