frvcvs
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Bout time we catch up to the rest of the civilized world. 
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Every year that the system is being built, as many as 100,000 construction-related jobs will be created, as will up to 450,000 permanent new jobs over the next 25 years
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CharmingSophisticate
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Bout time we catch up to the rest of the civilized world.
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Every year that the system is being built, as many as 100,000 construction-related jobs will be created, as will up to 450,000 permanent new jobs over the next 25 years
I welcome this.
Now, with High Speed Fail, when I wait at the tracks for that empty Amtrak train to pass by so I can go home, it will halve the time that I spend in my car burning gas while going nowhere.
Sweet!
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FecalFace
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About fcking time.
Now the question is, what do you do when you get to your destination when there's no connecting public transport to anywhere? 
San Francisco and Portland exempt.
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uburack
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Train to nowhere? (Madera to Bakersfield) wow isn't that a bright idea! 
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CharmingSophisticate
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Every year that the system is being built, as many as 100,000 construction-related jobs will be created, as will up to 450,000 permanent new jobs over the next 25 years
It's even better than that, I just crunched the numbers on my new BS-2200 Obama Bin Biden Electronics calculator and it turns out that there will be a minimum of 2 kagillion brazillian permanent jobs created .....for Chinamen, but we "liberals" hate the Chinese these days yeah?
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ringer
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Bout time we catch up to the rest of the civilized world.
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Every year that the system is being built, as many as 100,000 construction-related jobs will be created, as will up to 450,000 permanent new jobs over the next 25 years
It will be expensive, no doubt, but overall I think that this is a good thing. Whatever happens in the next 25 years around here, there will be a strong user demand for a train that can get someone from LA to the Bay Area in a couple of hours. The biggest thing wrong with this is that they didn't do it 20 years ago.
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CharmingSophisticate
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Bout time we catch up to the rest of the civilized world.
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Every year that the system is being built, as many as 100,000 construction-related jobs will be created, as will up to 450,000 permanent new jobs over the next 25 years
It will be expensive, no doubt, but overall I think that this is a good thing. Whatever happens in the next 25 years around here, there will be a strong user demand for a train that can get someone from LA to the Bay Area in a couple of hours. The biggest thing wrong with this is that they didn't do it 20 years ago.
There's only one problem.
Who is going to pay to ride the thing?
When you discover that like Amtrak now, it doesn't pay for itself- then what?
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Gnudz
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I've done a lot of traveling on trains in Japan, Europe, and even Russia. They are the best, easiest, most relaxing way to travel. Japan is the best model, but even Russian trains are great.
BTW, Charming Sophist, Since the invention of bridges and tunnels, your wait time (wasted fuel) has been drastically reduced. Japan has got to be one of the most populated, very small parts of the planet, and they've got their trains down to an art. Their traffic sucks horrendously, but not due to trains.
Unfortunately, I don't see trains being built in this country soon enough, but it is inevitable. They are far too comfortable and economical to avoid forever.
Many of us Americans will shun them out of sheer pride and ignorance (too european/asian etc...).
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CharmingSophisticate
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They are far too comfortable and economical to avoid forever.
....and you don't find it odd that nobody will pony up their own money to build this shite?
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ringer
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Bout time we catch up to the rest of the civilized world.
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Every year that the system is being built, as many as 100,000 construction-related jobs will be created, as will up to 450,000 permanent new jobs over the next 25 years
It will be expensive, no doubt, but overall I think that this is a good thing. Whatever happens in the next 25 years around here, there will be a strong user demand for a train that can get someone from LA to the Bay Area in a couple of hours. The biggest thing wrong with this is that they didn't do it 20 years ago.
There's only one problem.
Who is going to pay to ride the thing?
When you discover that like Amtrak now, it doesn't pay for itself- then what?
I think it will mostly pay for itself, and even if it doesn't, it will be a very key part of north-south transportation in the state. Would you rather drive 8 hours, go to an airport and fly for however expensive that is, or go to a train station and slam up? No matter what anyone says, there will be more people in CA over the next quarter century and there needs to be another transportation option for getting people around. Again, this will cost a shitload and it should have been built earlier, but going forward it will never be cheaper to build than right now.
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afoaf
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it's an albatross of epic proportions.
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Gnudz
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They are far too comfortable and economical to avoid forever.
....and you don't find it odd that nobody will pony up their own money to build this shite?
Pride and ignorance, my Friend (as per previous post +bitchen car culture).
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Supersonic lettice delivery service from the central valley to LA.
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CharmingSophisticate
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They are far too comfortable and economical to avoid forever.
....and you don't find it odd that nobody will pony up their own money to build this shite?
Pride and ignorance, my Friend (as per previous post +bitchen car culture).
....and what's gonna be really fun is when The Green Environmentalist Church starts sticking their collective noses up your high speed rail ass.
How many varieties of cactus will suddenly become "endangered" when they start laying down tracks and sullying the Sierra Clubs backyard?
If nothing else it'll be hella fun watching "liberal" retards slap fight each other in public over who is the most righteous.
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Aruka
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They should just hold out for a vactrain. Link
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George Foreman
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Holy sh*t
A post about a stupid f*cking a$$ train that cost billions and will rot and fall apart in socal farmland before it's finished?
nobody said anything about the Simpsons Monorail episode?
thatz just f*cking crazy, man!
Monorail!
cowabunga,
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ifallalot
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Holy sh*t
A post about a stupid f*cking a$$ train that cost billions and will rot and fall apart in socal farmland before it's finished?
nobody said anything about the Simpsons Monorail episode?
thatz just f*cking crazy, man!
Monorail!
cowabunga,
rg
The mention of the Simpsons Monorail just has made me want to apologize to everything I just said in the Pinniped thread.
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George Foreman
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Holy sh*t
A post about a stupid f*cking a$$ train that cost billions and will rot and fall apart in socal farmland before it's finished?
nobody said anything about the Simpsons Monorail episode?
thatz just f*cking crazy, man!
Monorail!
cowabunga,
rg
The mention of the Simpsons Monorail just has made me want to apologize to everything I just said in the Pinniped thread.
I love you too, pluto  
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urchin
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russian trains are plentiful and always packed. the subway system in moscow and st. petersburg makes new york's look like a slow moving sh!thole...well, not hard to do. but it's been in their culture for a long time. most people just don't have cars.
here tho...meh.. people love their cars. austin finally finished their train, after i guess about 10 years. it's only like three cars and they recently put mirror tint on the windows so people can't see how empty it is. 
a shame...i'd use it, but i don't live in the 'burbs.
i'd love a train to the coast though. i'd be the worst nightmare...a weekend train warrior! 
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So is it a coastal route? If so where the hell do they think their going to get up to speed? Only place is up the central valley 
Mahalo 
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If only, I hate the three hour drive to the coast. Catching some ZZZZZZ's as one speeds South would be sweet, especially after a day in the water on the way back. Oh, well not going to happen in my life time 
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BOONDOGGLE.
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FecalFace
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They are far too comfortable and economical to avoid forever.
....and you don't find it odd that nobody will pony up their own money to build this shite?
I find it odd that nobody ponied up their own money to fund a gazzilion dollar war and maintain a bloated world-police military complex. Yet somebody paid for it. 
At least with trains we actually get some benefit in return as opposed to absolutely fck all.
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retarded retard
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vast majority of CAs don't want this expensive atrocity most of us will never see in our lifetimes yet put the state dearly in debt. It will go on the ballot and get shot down. 
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urchin
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They are far too comfortable and economical to avoid forever.
....and you don't find it odd that nobody will pony up their own money to build this shite?
you should know better than that. 
everybody charges the taxpayer. even walmart gets paid by the taxpayer to build a store because it will "create jobs". corporate welfare...c'mon, you know that..you work for haliburton dont you? 
the austin taxpayer even got charged for building an F1 track here. And the owner happens to be so rich, even his teenage daughter owns a billion dollar home.
mmmmm...welfare.... 
btw, i just checked amtrak. 360 dollars from ausin to los angeles, riding coach for three days. in russia, that distance would cost about 70 bucks and it would include a bed. also it would take two days.
i love trains and public transportation...dont' get me wrong..but yeah, doesn't seem like right now is a good time to build something like that. gonna have to wait until the people are so poor they don't even have cars. good luck cali-bros!
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ifallalot
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vast majority of CAs don't want this expensive atrocity most of us will never see in our lifetimes yet put the state dearly in debt. It will go on the ballot and get shot down.
It already got approved by voters once
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Surfdog
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vast majority of CAs don't want this expensive atrocity most of us will never see in our lifetimes yet put the state dearly in debt. It will go on the ballot and get shot down.
It already got approved by voters once
I bet if voters today had to do it over again, knowing the costs have doubled since their first vote, and will probably double again if and when it gets finished. It would go down in flames.
The stops put in along the way from LA to SF will kill any time savings advertised today. How many here NEED to get from LA to SF and back on regular, commuter type basis?
It will be a over-priced albatross like most rail in California is today. It will be more empty than filled, and the cost will be as much or more than flying.
Yes, this idea works in densely populated Japan, the size of California, but more the 3 times the population (37M vs. 127M). With the enviro-hoops, regs and restrictions in California, I see a clusterf**k of red-tape to get thru ANY "environmentally sensitive" areas.
If we had to build our existing interstate hi-way/freeway system today, it would NEVER get built. Can you imagine the "environmental damage" done in the Cajon Pass, Tejon Pass, Mt Shasta/Shasta lake and Siskiyou areas (for a small example), that would be fought tooth and nail today, to get those major and very necessary transportion corridors completed? The costs would've tripled for this study, that study, and every possible impact between, and deemed not worth it.
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Autoprax
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I like how everyone here is such good prognosticators.
If you can tell the future, why aren't you working for the government as a Special Agent or for a bookie in Las Vegas?
No one knows anything.
Innovation does not come from saying how something won't work.
This country is crippled by a loser/pussy mindset.
"Whahah, we can't build a train!!!!!!!"
Really?
It's just a f'in train.
We could be doing a lot more than trains but I don't know what the f has happened to this country.
We have the resources; we could build it easy; it's financial corruption that is the problem.
We're always going to have this problem.
A dog on the hunt doesn't stop to scratch fleas.
All we do now is scratch.
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afoaf
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http://reason.org/news/show/california-high-speed-rail-funding
1. asked for 45 billion for original vision...now a heavily
pared down version is almost 3x as much.
2. travel time is slower due to plan change from HSR to mixed
track configurations (3 hour LAX/SF)
3. cost is at best equal and worst case MORE than air fare
AND is longer. (what's the fkn point)
4. no one rides the trains we currently have...no ridership
(especially given 2 & 3 above) means it's a fkn money pit
5. what's currently being presented is merely merced -> bako
LOLOLOLOLO MERCED TO BAKERSFIELD
get rich!
this is a colossal joke
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FranksBeau
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Bout time we catch up to the rest of the civilized world.
my neighbor is real smart and he says one day theyll invent flying machines that will take only 1 hr and cost less than a 100 dollars to go that route.
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etmo
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Love the idea, but I think afoaf has it right this time.
Still, there's a rich history of programs which essentially accomplish nothing other than to disseminate government money. If there's any hope I'll cling to WRT this project, it's that the dissemination of all that cash will have a measurably positive effect here in CA.
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LAisntsobad
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>French/Japanese style bullet train
>Central California
>good idea
This here is a perfect example of why if you identify as Demotard/Left, you should stop identifying yourself as such
(some of their ideas that you may agree with doesn't justify this and other failtardery)
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SmackDaddy
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They should just hold out for a vactrain. Link
5,000 mph! Now that would be a trainwreck!!!
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CharmingSophisticate
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Another silver lining in this deal is that we'll be pumping a whole bunch of extra CO2 into the atmosphere which will help save the Rainforest and help us stick it to those Brazzo's.
Claim THAT F'ers!
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GDaddy
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It might have a more positive effect if that money was coming from out of state. The problem is that the money first has to be collected from someone before it can be disseminated; and that someone is us.
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CharmingSophisticate
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I think a more accurate word would be 'burned'.
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ElOgro
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...disseminated...
I think a more accurate word would be 'burned'.
I was thinking squandered but burned works too. Oh well, it's somebody else's money anyway. Worked great for C.P. Huntington and his gang of thieves.
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CharmingSophisticate
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...disseminated...
I think a more accurate word would be 'burned'.
I was thinking squandered but burned works too. Oh well, it's somebody else's money anyway. Worked great for C.P. Huntington and his gang of thieves.
Maybe we'll get lucky and it'll turn out that "liberal" R-Tards like Jerry Brown and the adventure capitalists at Obama Bin Biden Financial really DO have access to a secret endless magical money tree........doubt it though.
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ArronC
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Los Angeles can't even afford to widen all of its major freeways - which its needed to do since the 70's. We need at least 8 lanes or more on each side of almost every freeway to support the loads of traffic. Otherwise we just sit there like a bunch of dumbarses.
A train won't make any impact to this problem, yet the state wants to build a 70 billion dollar train when its flat broke. This project will only benefit a few contractors at the top that pay off politicians and put the rest of us into more debt. Its obviously a dumb and unintelligent idea.
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backyard_hack
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It's never going to happen. The process of getting a trolley from Old Town to UCSD has taken ~25 years, and it's still not under construction. Del Mar residents fight to the death to prevent a simple double-tracking within existing right-of-way along the bluffs, and you think a 180-mph train will not be NIMBY'ed to death? Come on...
The sensible coastal alignment will never work because people with money will tie it up in lawsuits forever, and the CA taxpayer probably will cry uncle long before then.
If they wanted to make it truly competitive with planes, it'd need to be a coastal alignment (no I-15 corridor) and fully grade-separated, meaning tons of tunnels and bridges, which just blows apart the cost estimates. The thing is probably costed with a 40% contingency, which is fantasy.
Grade separation is vital due to topography, and more importantly, the conflicts with at-grade crossing in populated areas, which would be impossibly dangerous. This is why the central valley is being touted as the first segment- it's flat and under-developed, so it'll be far cheaper than putting something parallel to Morena Blvd or whatever.
That said, if the US military-industrial complex keeps pumping money to the fine folks at General Atomics to develop more effective ways to monitor and kill brown people, GA can continue to fund that massive MagLev R&D test track they have on one of their compounds, and maybe the taxpayer won't directly be on the hook like they're slated for now. Diversify yo bonds!
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