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The whole theme behind "alt" designs is to match the board with the rider and conditions. Dane doesn't surf a wannabe fish because he can't surf a HPSB in the same conditions, he does it because the wider board is more fun in those conditions.
Besides, when the contemporary HPSB design trends are coming from the alt boards at what point will the HPSB become the alternative for most surfers in daily conditions?
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Here's the relevant definition of the word 'performance'
perˇforˇmance (pr-fôrmns) n.
The way in which someone or something functions
In the surfing herd the definition used is more like this one, in other words all Hollywood:
A presentation, especially a theatrical one, before an audience.
The herd members seem to "want their cake and eat it too" as although their definition of performance is clearly a theatrical one, they like to assume that it also denotes superior efficiency due to the fulfilling of certain arbitrary style based criteria.
It's fuzzy thinking and compartmentalised modernism.
nice! looks like a reeely fun day at the pt. roy's surfing sure has improved as his boards have evolved closer to resembling a standard longboard - as compared with say a 17 foot elf-shoe.
shame all that nose of the board serves no purpose after catching the wave and that the rider is relegated to standing frozen in one spot tho.
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Quote: nice! looks like a reeely fun day at the pt. roy's surfing sure has improved as his boards have evolved closer to resembling a standard longboard - as compared with say a 17 foot elf-shoe.
Wrong again, that design predates the 17 footer by 6 years, and it was first built and ridden in 1998.. in fact I've ridden them so much that I destroyed two of them.
The design is still light years ahead of standard longboards.
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shame all that nose of the board serves no purpose after catching the wave
you are mistaken the nose serves at least two purposes even when it is out of the water.
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and that the rider is relegated to standing frozen in one spot tho.
two different design philosophies: one is to make a board which requires the greatest amount of 'athletic' effort in order to make it work properly, another is to design a board which requires the least.
It's easy school vs hard school, and performance can only be measured relative to each.
Most designs ( for example cars) use the make it easy criteria, it's more functional.
Standing (or squatting) still is the opposite of high performance. The more skill required to do something, the more high performance it is. Big carve or air, it doesn't matter.
Even getting barreled, if you're pumping (or dragging and adjusting your speed) in the barrel, that's harder and more high performance than standing still.
Why ride a board that is difficult and makes you look like you have no skill? You can't honestly call that high performance bc someone without skill can do the same thing on a different board.
-------------------- They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time, it works every time.
Standing (or squatting) still is the opposite of high performance. The more skill required to do something, the more high performance it is.
Firstly you assume that making it easy means that the rider does not move at all, which is incorrect.
Secondly your theory is that if something is more difficult to do that it is more high performance. That's also incorrect: it's the efficiency with which the desired task is achieved which determines the performance.
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Even getting barreled, if you're pumping (or dragging and adjusting your speed) in the barrel, that's harder and more high performance than standing still.
Again you appear to think that making it easy implies standing still. That's not the case.
In fact necessary weighting and unweighting etc makes the task easier.
Making it easy does not mean that less skill is used either, it means that one uses a board which is more intuitive, and requires less physical gyrations in order to complete the task.. thus leaving more skill in reserve.
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Why ride a board that is difficult and makes you look like you have no skill?
people ride difficult to ride boards in the hope that it will make them appear to be skilful.
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You can't honestly call that high performance bc someone without skill can do the same thing on a different board.
skill is always required.
We are talking about high performance surfboards not 'high performance riders'... a high performance board requires less effort from the rider in order to achieve the goal.
Indeed... given that 'standing up on the first go out' is the goal.
The goal of those who parrot the 'HPSB' line is more like 'appearing to be skilful by doing prescribed difficult and unnecessary tasks'. These tasks are almost always more difficult than is necessary for the successful navigation of the wave.
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