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" Bolsa Chica, Will Rogers, San Clemente, Carlsbad and San Onofre state beaches would all be closed to visitors. Topanga and Mt. San Jacinto state parks would be shut down...." ?????????
from the los angeles times today....
"Deep cuts, closures across the state at heart of budget plan
Beaches, parks, schools and prisons would be hit. Some think the governor's proposal is a ruse to get a tax hike. By Evan Halper and Jordan Rau, Los Angeles Times Staff Writers January 10, 2008 SACRAMENTO -- Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is expected today to propose shutting 48 state parks -- including some popular Southern California beaches -- releasing far more prison inmates than previously projected and increasing car fees for the second straight year as part of his solution to the state's fiscal crisis.
And 14 months after persuading voters to borrow $37 billion for public works improvements, his administration will propose roughly $40 billion in new borrowing for infrastructure needs related to schools, courts, water systems, higher education and high-speed rail.
The budget blueprint, shaping up as the harshest since Schwarzenegger was first elected in 2003, will include scores of spending reductions that would affect people across the state. School spending would be rolled back by about $3 billion. Welfare payments for tens of thousands of children whose families are considered to be at high risk for homelessness would be eliminated.
A cost-of-living increase for the elderly, blind and disabled receiving state assistance would be canceled, as would state-funded dental visits for the poor.
The cuts, described by officials familiar with the governor's proposals, are so deep that some in the Capitol are already dismissing the plan as a ruse -- an attempt to stir up so much public demand for a tax hike that the governor will ultimately be able to break his pledge not to take that route.
No multibillion-dollar tax increases are in the Schwarzenegger plan for now, the officials said. The proposal offers the governor's vision of how to bring the budget into balance without new revenue.
It is certain to rattle voters.
Bolsa Chica, Will Rogers, San Clemente, Carlsbad and San Onofre state beaches would all be closed to visitors. Topanga and Mt. San Jacinto state parks would be shut down. Lifeguards and other seasonal staff would be laid off.
"They're trying to raise that as the bloody red shirt that will pave the way for a tax increase," said one high-ranking Republican, who spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of angering the governor.
Administration officials refused to comment on the proposal.
"We are going to wait to allow the governor to roll out the budget," said Schwarzenegger spokesman Aaron McLear.
Protest had begun even before the budget was released.
School groups were already mobilizing a campaign to fight the cuts, including the governor's plan to ask lawmakers to suspend voter-approved spending formulas that guarantee schools about 40% of state revenue. The organizations are planning to begin televising advertisements this month calling on the public to resist such a suspension.
Bob Wells, executive director of the Assn. of California School Administrators, called a school funding rollback "outrageous."
"Schools didn't cause this budget problem," he said. The governor and lawmakers "binged on other spending in good years and want to purge school spending in bad years. That is not fair."
State Senate leader Don Perata (D-Oakland) said he has already started fielding complaints, including one from Ronald M. George, chief justice of California. The jurist warned that the cuts the governor wants would decimate some services and possibly interfere with legal mandates.
George said he pulled the governor aside after the State of the State address and warned him that the proposed cuts to the courts would be devastating.
"I told him I have very great concerns that the operations of the court could be crippled if these are carried out," George said.
Perata said of the budget to be unveiled today: "I expect it's going to be bad." He and other Democrats have already begun calling for a tax increase to avoid some of the proposed cuts. Republicans, who are in the minority but hold enough votes to block new taxes, have vowed to resist.
The criminal justice proposal that is expected to generate the strongest opposition is the possible early release of as many as 50,000 nonviolent offenders -- 10,000 to 20,000 more than previous estimates of 30,000. Under the plan, the state would also stop monitoring tens of thousands of parolees. Schwarzenegger said last year that he was strongly against releasing prisoners early. But his new proposal would have the dual benefit of cutting the budget and pleasing a three-judge federal panel that within months is scheduled to hold a trial on state prison overcrowding. Many state lawmakers, particularly Republicans, have said that the prisoner release plan would be dead on arrival in the Legislature.
Assemblyman Todd Spitzer (R-Orange) said such proposals, certain to be unpopular with the public, appear intended to bring "the full force of every interest group to bear on the state Legislature so we have to pick the winners and losers, or consider having to raise new revenue." Spitzer repeated the Republicans' pledge not to raise taxes.
While the prisons plan would save hundreds of millions of dollars, the park plan would save $13 million. Perata said lawmakers might consider user fee increases as an alternative to shutting the parks.
"I know a lot of people think parks should be free, but we seem to be well beyond that point in California, and most of us would agree that classroom education is more important than state park admission," Perata said.
Any such fees would come on top of an $11 fee increase for registering vehicles. The money would be used to fund the California Highway Patrol and the Department of Motor Vehicles. It follows a registration fee hike of as much as $11 that Schwarzenegger signed into law last fall to fund research into alternative fuels.
Advocates for the poor, meanwhile, expressed exasperation that the needy were once again targeted for major reductions.
Safety net grants intended for children whose parents do not meet work requirements in the state's welfare program would be eliminated. So would grants for the children of some legal and illegal immigrants. "It looks like the governor is not doing anything new," said Nancy Berlin, director of California Partnership, a coalition of community groups. "He is just bringing out the same cuts, targeting the same low-income families that have taken the brunt of the cuts for the last three years. There has to be a more responsible and fair way to balance the budget than to keep going after low-income children."
The $40 billion in borrowing that Schwarzenegger will propose comes after a similar effort that stalled last year. The money would be used for building projects, including courthouses, schools and university buildings. About $10 billion would be set aside for water projects.
Perata said he is open to the possibility of a new infrastructure bond issue -- at least for water projects -- but cautioned that interest costs would only add to the state's financial burdens. The state already faces difficulty keeping up with its debts.
Among them is $15 billion in bonds that voters authorized to help balance the budget in the midst of the last fiscal crisis just a few years ago. Today, the governor will propose delaying repayment of those bonds for a year, in the hope of generating $1.5 billion to help eliminate the current shortfall.
Times staff writers Patrick McGreevy, Michael Rothfeld and Nancy Vogel contributed to this report.
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How can we get Arnold to close the San Elijo campgrounds in Cardiff? Get rid of the mostly useless State Park Rangers that randomly patrol the Carlsbad, Encinitas, Cardiff and Solana Beach beaches and parking lots? If the State removed the useless and the dead wood (rather than increase the state parking lot parking fees from $30 to over $100) the people who need law enforcement help could simply call 911 and have a sheriff or local police respond to the call for help. I'm not suggesting the state park lifeguards or cleaning crews be dismissed (since we are paying for and receiving those services) just the redundant, useless want to be cops meter maids who are held in the lowest of esteem by many, if not most other law enforcement in San Diego County as well as many of the people I surf with or talk to in the Cardiff parking lot.
Bitter? Nah, I've never received a parking ticket or had a problem with the park rangers. I buy passes for our family vehicles but I do see them daily and they are simply a waste of POST training and are not deserving of the tax dollars it takes to support them, their retirement and their health benefits. Get rid of the Arnold, put the money into education or some other needed public service.
what a joke. illegals cost just the city of LA alone $440 million annually, the cost to the state is several times that amount.
kick the farkin' illegals out of our jails and schools and back across the border, and bam, no budget shortfall, no threats from the governator. problems solved.
of course the teacher's union and prison guard's union absolutely love illegals in our system, and would fight that tooth and nail.
shite is outta hand.
how about government starts doing what its supposed to with tax payers money, like paying for shared services and infrastructure, and stops re-distributing our money to the poor and to city, county, and state employees in the form of HUGE raises in exchange for political support in the form of votes and union endorsements!
mexifornication in progress.
the democrats that control this state really have their sights set on prop. 13. the democrats HATE prop. 13, and are trying to get around and do away with it at every opportunity.
pay attention, homeowners that keep voting these f*ckwads into office...they are coming for your homes...how does the prospect of your property tax bills rising by several thousand dollars every couple years sound!?!?
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Quote: what a joke. illegals cost just the city of LA alone $440 million annually, the cost to the state is several times that amount.
kick the farkin' illegals out of our jails and schools and back across the border, and bam, no budget shortfall, no threats from the governator. problems solved.
of course the teacher's union and prison guard's union absolutely love illegals in our system, and would fight that tooth and nail.
shite is outta hand.
how about government starts doing what its supposed to with tax payers money, like paying for shared services and infrastructure, and stops re-distributing our money to the poor and to city, county, and state employees in the form of HUGE raises in exchange for political support in the form of votes and union endorsements!
mexifornication in progress.
the democrats that control this state really have their sights set on prop. 13. the democrats HATE prop. 13, and are trying to get around and do away with it at every opportunity.
pay attention, homeowners that keep voting these f*ckwads into office...they are coming for your homes...how does the prospect of your property tax bills rising by several thousand dollars every couple years sound!?!?
I am not a big political guy and most often choose not to engage in political arguments (discussions). However I must say that I agree with this whole statement!!!
Less places to surf means more kooks per mile of coastline.
nyet.
just means you have to walk in. the ocean isn't "closed for business".
this means less people at these "closed" beaches. you can't just "close" a beach. the coastline is the public's.
the people you will see at these beaches are the ones willing to try harder, take a risk, because they really build their life around surfing. and so they deserve the best.
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close bolsa and close san clem state park?wtf? cant we easily make thsi go awya with a cigarette hike? Up lotto prices 50 cents a ticket? Shit can't be that hard. Gpotta kick out those illegals at every chance though.
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Less places to surf means more kooks per mile of coastline.
nyet.
just means you have to walk in. the ocean isn't "closed for business".
this means less people at these "closed" beaches. you can't just "close" a beach. the coastline is the public's.
the people you will see at these beaches are the ones willing to try harder, take a risk, because they really build their life around surfing. and so they deserve the best.
dude, the bottom line is still more newbs, especially from these spots mentioned, at the already crowded, and often better, adjacent spots with easier access. its a one way street...not many people are going to be hiking with their logs and funboards into these zones if they can't park right there.
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of course the teacher's union and prison guard's union absolutely love illegals in our system, and would fight that tooth and nail.
how about government starts doing what its supposed to with tax payers money, like paying for shared services and infrastructure, and stops re-distributing our money to the poor and to city, county, and state employees in the form of HUGE raises in exchange for political support in the form of votes and union endorsements!
Just so you know, CA teachers are among the lowest paid in the country. CA schools rank at or near the bottom in almost every way you measure investment. CA is typically #1 in the nation in prison spending. Don't lump the two together (even if being in high school is kind of like being in prison).
By the way, this is typical gov't extortion. It has happened in many states--some branch of the gov't says they can't function unless they cut schools, parks, prisons, etc (usually they lump in the fire dept as well). Then the other parts of the gov't bend to their demands. I'm not too worried yet--it's a tired old gov't trick.
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how about government starts doing what its supposed to with tax payers money, like paying for shared services and infrastructure, and stops re-distributing our money to the poor and to city, county, and state employees in the form of HUGE raises in exchange for political support in the form of votes and union endorsements!
My wife is a teacher and we're ***** RICH because of these awesome raises she keeps getting- I don't know about anyone else. I wipe my ass with 100$ bills.
Quote: ...not many people are going to be hiking with their logs and funboards into these zones if they can't park right there.
SOCAL PUSSIES. ALL OF 'EM.
nice tats, nice sunglasses, nice hurley hoody.
no legs, no will, clean fingernails, polished cars, perfect lawns.
don't make GWS post up the greenest lawn contest again! I'll tell you what, the Mexican kids next door to my house come out and watch me mow my lawn like it is an amazing thing, the white guy mows his own lawn, loco maestro he's so poor he's got to mow his own lawn
how about government starts doing what its supposed to with tax payers money, like paying for shared services and infrastructure, and stops re-distributing our money to the poor and to city, county, and state employees in the form of HUGE raises in exchange for political support in the form of votes and union endorsements!
My wife is a teacher and we're ***** RICH because of these awesome raises she keeps getting- I don't know about anyone else. I wipe my ass with 100$ bills.
my daughter's second grade teacher has nice big naturally full hippydippy jibbly jubblies.
only problem is she has a this way of talking to adults like we're little kids. same tone, same head tilts, same big brown eyes.
but yeah they should really pay her more. she puts up with a lot of idiots, in and out of the classroom. plus excessive oggling by your's truly.
okay, carry on with the beach closure stuff...
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Quote: ...not many people are going to be hiking with their logs and funboards into these zones if they can't park right there.
SOCAL PUSSIES. ALL OF 'EM.
nice tats, nice sunglasses, nice hurley hoody.
no legs, no will, clean fingernails, polished cars, perfect lawns.
don't make GWS post up the greenest lawn contest again! I'll tell you what, the Mexican kids next door to my house come out and watch me mow my lawn like it is an amazing thing, the white guy mows his own lawn, loco maestro he's so poor he's got to mow his own lawn
ah shit.
i guess i'm just jealous.
in place of a lawn i have a sidewalk strewn with the following materials:
gum piss dog shit human shit coffee cups christmas trees pine needles wet tissues club flyers wet cardboard boxes wet newspapers wet maple leaves wet magnolia leaves spit mucus lost earrings wet socks takeout menus cigarette butts
...
i take my daughter over to george lucas's weird rolling hills of green in the presidio, and i realize i'm at peace in my hangover, kid running up and down over that smooth grass, that green teletubby grass, palace of fine arts standing in the background... grass, wonderful, quiet, peaceful, toxic, green, perfect grass... with a manmade stream cutting through it's belly, the water tumbling on its way to a manmade pond, sitting next to all that traffic shuffling and creaking off the bridge, anxious traffic and you can hear it too, lining up to get up lombard and into the city where lawns are forgotten, muddied, extinct.
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Quote: ...not many people are going to be hiking with their logs and funboards into these zones if they can't park right there.
SOCAL PUSSIES. ALL OF 'EM.
nice tats, nice sunglasses, nice hurley hoody.
no legs, no will, clean fingernails, polished cars, perfect lawns.
don't make GWS post up the greenest lawn contest again! I'll tell you what, the Mexican kids next door to my house come out and watch me mow my lawn like it is an amazing thing, the white guy mows his own lawn, loco maestro he's so poor he's got to mow his own lawn
If you can't afford normal rates, I know a guatemalen who'll do it.
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of course the teacher's union and prison guard's union absolutely love illegals in our system, and would fight that tooth and nail.
how about government starts doing what its supposed to with tax payers money, like paying for shared services and infrastructure, and stops re-distributing our money to the poor and to city, county, and state employees in the form of HUGE raises in exchange for political support in the form of votes and union endorsements!
Just so you know, CA teachers are among the lowest paid in the country. CA schools rank at or near the bottom in almost every way you measure investment. CA is typically #1 in the nation in prison spending. Don't lump the two together (even if being in high school is kind of like being in prison).
By the way, this is typical gov't extortion. It has happened in many states--some branch of the gov't says they can't function unless they cut schools, parks, prisons, etc (usually they lump in the fire dept as well). Then the other parts of the gov't bend to their demands. I'm not too worried yet--it's a tired old gov't trick.
i'm not going to get into whether or not individual teachers, or teachers in general, deserve higher pay. some do, many don't, as evidenced by our horrible performance in graduating kids, and in graduating kids who can't conjugate a sentence, know absolutely nothing about our history (other than we suck), or have any clue about how our government functions.
my point is about unions in general, and the power they wield unfairly, which erodes the power of US, INDIVIDUALS, in our society, whether a member of a union or not. its full on corruption. unions remove competition, from government monopolized school, prison, transportation, and service sectors. the unions continue to extort, politicians want their support, and the individual voter becomes increasingly irrelevant.
teachers unions and prison guard unions LOVE illegal aliens, because it increases demand for their services, further entrenches them in tenure, and provides leverage against tax payers in ways i could go on about for days.
50% of the state budget in california is MANDATED to be spent on education. we spend over $12,000 per student per year in LAUSD!!! private schools do a much better job of actually educating kids, and at about 20-30% the cost, yet teachers unions prefer to keep kids trapped in the huge failing government monopolized bureacracies that parade as 'schools', but are in reality nothing more than daycare, especially for those in minority and poor demographics.
its a f*cking crime, but try to push vouchers for these poor parents whose kids are stuck in illegal child daycare centers full of gangs and crappy teachers, and the union fights it tooth and nail.
the result: extremely high priced joke of an education system that tax payers foot the massively inflated bill for.
get rid of union/government marriage and monopolization of shared services, like the MTA and transportation, the teachers union and government schools, prison guards and the justice system, etc., and open it up to private competition, plus get rid of all our imported poverty in the form of illegals that suck off the taxpayers, and there is no budget problem, no evaporating construction jobs for americans, etc...
our cities, large and small, are buckling, in california.
they will continue to try to get rid of prop. 13, and they will devise schemes to force crises in ever increasing severity to do it.
california was once the shining star in the union, and its now turning into a corrupt trash heap of corrupt politicians and unions that will drag us into 3rd world status.
geez, just look around...california is looking more and more like mexico, and the state is behaving more and more like mexico, as the decades move on...
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Quote: "california is looking more and more like mexico, and the state is behaving more and more like mexico,"
Your lack of connection doesn't surprise me.
yeah, mexico sucks ass. its a f*cking trash heap of a nation, a cleptocracy run by a corrupt government that extorts money from its own poor, and exports its impoverished and criminals to the US so that it can receive remittances.
in the process, our health care and education systems are crumbling from the pressure, while the unions protect the status quo.
housing illegal mexican criminals is costing this state over $50,000 a year each, amounting to hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars in cost, paid for by taxpayers. in addition, the dirt poor mexicans that come here have long ago ceased to be an economic benefit, instead costing the state BILLIONS of dollars because the democrats that run the state operate it as a sanctuary, providing free education, free healthcare, free food, and reduced-cost housing--again, all at taxpayers expense.
in the meantime, our hospitals are closing, our budget is in serious deficit, and now the governor threatens basic services and threatens to close OUR F*CKING PUBLIC BEACHES in order to continue to pay for illegal criminal alien's needs!!! what about us taxpayers!?!?!?
i'm sick of watching our state slide down the gutter, i'm sick of subsidizing mexico's poverty and providing their citizens with basic needs, and i'm sick of housing their criminals in our prisons.
its extortion...plain and simple, and its bullshite!
break out the torches and pitchforks!
the sad part is, the sanctuary the US offers by providing welfare to mexican citizens acts as a pressure valve release, prolonging or alleviating the revolution that would otherwise occur in mexico. that would be good for mexicans and good for americans.
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