41591
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looking for help...i wanna buy a rainbow speeddialer heard great things about them. Im around 6'2" 190-200lbs. I want a size that will be good primarily for small mushy summer surf (NJ). Like to carve not into being a rat stomper on some tiny shortboard. Yet I do want to be able to move it. Any advice on dimensions i should go with?? I was thinking about a 6'4"??
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JJR
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Got a brand new one in the living room that sounds like perfect dims for you. I'll post some pics later. 
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LESider
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JJR, are you coming out for the NY fish fry or the NJ AB3?
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JJR
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I'll be at both.
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bennion
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Got a brand new one in the living room that sounds like perfect dims for you. I'll post some pics later.
Please do, I'd Like to see it as well. 
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J_C
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6'2" is fine, 6'4" if you're riding it in really small, soft waves and want to cruise (or if you're not comfortable on short boards).
Go to SS and talk to Greg, he's got a bunch and will get you the right size...
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BrownFish
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I want a size that will be good primarily for small mushy summer surf (NJ).
I think your looking at the wrong board for the job. Speeddialers work great, but really not so good in small mushy summer surf. They really don't start to work that well until it hits at least chest high and has some push. You would be much better off going with a Keel, Twinzer, or a quad fish that was designed for small mushy surf. If you really want a good fish for Small, Mushy, waves, go with an EPS/Epoxy(this does not mean a Pop-out) board. They tend to float better on top of the wave, which really helps when it's small. They are harder to dig a rail, which is the reason I don't ride em when it gets bigger, but you can't beat em in small surf. I would recomend a shaper in your area build you one. If you can't find one you like, then a couple options would be Shawn Ambrose, or John Belik (Shimbawa Viper).
If you are set on getting a Pavel, Both the Pavel Superbank and Swift Movement Pavel Microwing ride great. Both are Keels. Try and find one off the rack as you probably won't see it until Summer of 09 if you order it.
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jjenks
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I want a size that will be good primarily for small mushy summer surf (NJ).
I think your looking at the wrong board for the job. Speeddialers work great, but really not so good in small mushy summer surf. They really don't start to work that well until it hits at least chest high and has some push. You would be much better off going with a Keel, Twinzer, or a quad fish that was designed for small mushy surf. If you really want a good fish for Small, Mushy, waves, go with an EPS/Epoxy(this does not mean a Pop-out) board. They tend to float better on top of the wave, which really helps when it's small. They are harder to dig a rail, which is the reason I don't ride em when it gets bigger, but you can't beat em in small surf. I would recomend a shaper in your area build you one. If you can't find one you like, then a couple options would be Shawn Ambrose, or John Belik (Shimbawa Viper).
If you are set on getting a Pavel, Both the Pavel Superbank and Swift Movement Pavel Microwing ride great. Both are Keels. Try and find one off the rack as you probably won't see it until Summer of 09 if you order it.
Were you the one who did the Black Night Quad review? If so,
How do like that set up in smaller waves? More like a speed dialer? Thanks
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Kit7873
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Depending on your fitness level and paddling arms, you could go a lot shorter than 6'4" -- maybe 6'0" x 21" -- lots of paddle-ability in these boards, especially if you are used to riding a shortboard.
Good luck -- get one and you won't regret it.
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rice
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Like someone said, if you mainly want it for small mush, a twin might be better, due to the SD having a narrower tail.
I'm 6'4" and 190.
I have a 6'0" x 21.5" GH twin and a 6'0" x 21" GH quad (speedialer type).
And they are NOT too small for me. If anything, I could prolly' go down a tad in size.
I'd shy away from 6'4".
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rdj
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I agree, don't go with a speed dialer. A quad with a fatter tail or a twin would be better for summer mush.
I have a ton of respect for Pavel, but save some time, money, deal with someone who knows our waves, and support the local scene. Contact Brian Wynn. He's in Sommers Point, NJ.
Wynn Surfboards
He shaped and glassed out west for years and moved back here to start his own thing. He glasses for Heritage, Cosmic Cow, and Chaize as well as shaping his own magic boards. All that time he spent in San Diego made him an expert in fish. You can talk with him and figure out exactly what will be best for your needs. PM me if you want his phone number.
I had him shape me a quad fish with the turbo speed dialers last October and I love the board. Does exactly what I asked for. Some pics:
  
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Hdip
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I'm 6'1" 185 and I ride a 5'10" in a speeddialer shape. Truthfully mine is a 5'8" right now but it's to small to find the sweet spot easily. I broke my 5'10"
Sounds to me like you should try a 5'10" for the small side and a 6'0" for the big side. Anything bigger than that will be huge. There is tons of foam on those kind of boards.
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BrownFish
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Were you the one who did the Black Night Quad review? If so,
How do like that set up in smaller waves? More like a speed dialer? Thanks
Yes, I did the initial review, mainly with the help of alot of others who've ridden the design. Probably the best all around quad fish made, IMO. Works in most conditions, but probably not as good as a Twinzer or Keel in small, mushy stuff. One of the ways to get it to perform better in the real small stuf is to order it in XTR/Epoxy. Most of the guys I know riding the XTR/Epoxy Black Knight Quad, won't touch any other construction method.
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41591
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leaning more towards the 6'2"...i have a 9' longboard and have no problem throwing it around a bit. Im in pretty good shape and have always preferred a more stable locked in board rather than a "loose" CI shortboard. With that being said I think that I should go a bit larger but dont know if 6'4" would be toooo big. Thinking bout getting the 6'2"
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NY_Islander
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yeah i'm also 6'4" 190 - ride a 6'0" x 21" x 2.55" Shimbawa Viper in EPS
the added width really makes up for the loss in length. i don't know much about design, but this one is pretty much my daily board. can actually link broken sections at tiny long beach - puts a smile on my face
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Hdip
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My friend is a lot smaller than you this still applies though. He bought a 6'0" thinking it was to small for him because he came off longboards. After loving the way the board rode he ended up buying two more of them. A 5'10" and a 5'8" (He's obsessed with buying boards) Now he never touches the 6'0" because it's way to huge for him. Even though when he first bought it he thought it was tiny.
He rides the 5'10" in pointbreaks like topanga and the 5'8" in beachbreak.
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HydroSprout
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I'm about your size and I found that 6'0" is perfect for me in good CH to HH surf.
I had a 6'2" that used to fly in small surf but was too big in hollow stuff.
I think either 6'2" or 6'4" will do great for your conditions.
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walrus
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considering that your from the right coast, i wouldn't bother with the Pavel thing unless you can find one off the rack (surfers supplies in OC has a bunch usually) Pavels overrated and on the west coast and if it dosn't work for you getting adjustments on the next version will be impossible---stick with a local shaper with brains---i second the vote for B. Wynn--he build me a great bonzer egg and it was well done and quickly too......i must admit that my son loves his Pavel twin fin fish ---but my experience with Pavel was generally lousy at best
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HydroSprout
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considering that your from the right coast, i wouldn't bother with the Pavel thing unless you can find one off the rack (surfers supplies in OC has a bunch usually) Pavels overrated and on the west coast and if it dosn't work for you getting adjustments on the next version will be impossible---stick with a local shaper with brains---i second the vote for B. Wynn--he build me a great bonzer egg and it was well done and quickly too......i must admit that my son loves his Pavel twin fin fish ---but my experience with Pavel was generally lousy at best
Pavel is overrated because you didn't like it? That makes a lot of sense. 
What exactly is your "lousy" experience with a Speedialer?
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J_C
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I agree that 41591 could go smaller on a speeddialer -- at 5'11' and pushing 210 a 5'10" is fine for me. But it sounds like he doesn't want to go for a smaller size. If he just wants to cruise, a larger size will be fine but still work reasonably well when it's bigger.
However, I think the board works in small surf. I've ridden it in knee-thigh junk and it worked fine (or as fine as I'd want a board to work in that). Granted, it works even better in chest to head+ clean surf, but just about everything does.
For what it's worth, I've ridden a Wynn that I really liked, and I think he does some really nice boards, but I've also seen some fish/quads that he shaped that looked not so hot.
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J_P
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hydro
if the search function worked on this board you'd see that walrus really got buggered by toby if i recall correctly (ridiculous delays/incommunicado/empty promises).
it worked out in the end i think, but suggesting someone local is always a good suggestion.
buying custom boards from CA if you're on the east coast is gonna be pricey if you wind up liking them.....
good luck
jp
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Jus tto add in....while im most def not a fan of the hay chewing incestual keystone ice madness....DK's dialer thing is pretty damn sick for big boys. I'm 230 lbs...i borowe and rode a 6'2 or 6'3 version of it from need4speed ....while not exaclty my beer, that board rocked. Flew fast as you coudl want, connected amazingly, and went straight up for one of those cool full speed exit quad lip smacks
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need 4 speed
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True
DK's Speed Dialer rocks  and I ride it a good percentage of the time.But I think the poster is looking for something more like a mush buster, like a "Bee"
I'll try not to got off too much about the sizing.That's a personal deal.I like board of a certain size.(regardless of what others thinks you should/can ride based on your size and weight)
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HydroSprout
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Ah I see. 
BTW, I wasn't arguing personal taste. It just irks me when peple make statements like that but refuse to support it with any reasoning.
Still doesn't make any sense. Pavel's shapes are overated because he is a lousy businessman?
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41591
Grom
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I think its always better off to go bigger though...nothing worse than paddling like hell to keep a board afloat. Its a real tough decision (and im not going to get it custom ordered prob just order one off the shelf). Dont know how big a difference Ill feel by going two inches smaller?? who knows Ill prob be happy with whatever I end up getting. Again it IS NJ surf which means primarily small and sloppy. Am going to Costa soon but Any board can probably ride those waves
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bennion
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Who knows, if you dig the design you may want a 6'2 AND 6'4 for different conditions. I know guys that have three or four different sizes in fish and ride all of them. I'm your size except about 5 pounds heaver and ride a 6'2-21-2 5/8 quad fish.It seems like a happy medium to me. Good luck!
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HydroSprout
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2" size difference on some boards isn't a big deal but on Speedialer, it made a huge one.
I went to CR couple of years ago with a 6'2" SD and had a blast.
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41591
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thanks for the help guys. Im going to go with the 6'4"...to explain me being stubborn here it is: I surf in primarily small mush as I have said. Simple science is more foam more float which is really helpful in small mush. Also Ive always enjoyed the feel/carve and "flow" of a longer board rather than the quickness and "skate style" of a small shortboard. Also, Im only going to grow and put on more weight/strength in which case this board will last me for a long time. Also Im in pretty good shape and have been able to throw around my longboard pretty easily. With all of this taken into consideration I think I'm just going to stick with the 6'4" I looked at some and your right these boards are pretty fat and even a little heavy. Nonetheless there beautiful boards and I can't wait to get on one. Instead of custom ordering it through pavel Im just going to get some that are in stock. Im not really into the crazy art dyes on the bottom and all the custom art so it should be fine. I think I'm just going to go with the no-pinlines and color "rainbow" logo on the front with the lockbox fin system. Any other designs that look good? This one seems to be standard and pretty good despite the brand name "rainbow"...thanks for the help any more input would be great
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rice
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Then, why did you ask?
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41591
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figured any other opinions from people who have ridden them and are my size would be good..hydro sprout how big are you??? I emailed pavel to see what the shaper himself has to say. Only reason im so hesitant is its a good amount of money so I figured I should get it right
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rice
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But, I'm pretty sure everyone said that the 6'4" is too big. 
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g_town
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Rice: I'm 6'4" and 190.
Funny, you seem to be growing with each post...
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BrownFish
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thanks for the help guys. Im going to go with the 6'4"...to explain me being stubborn here it is: I surf in primarily small mush as I have said. Simple science is more foam more float which is really helpful in small mush. Also Ive always enjoyed the feel/carve and "flow" of a longer board rather than the quickness and "skate style" of a small shortboard. Also, Im only going to grow and put on more weight/strength in which case this board will last me for a long time. Also Im in pretty good shape and have been able to throw around my longboard pretty easily. With all of this taken into consideration I think I'm just going to stick with the 6'4" I looked at some and your right these boards are pretty fat and even a little heavy. Nonetheless there beautiful boards and I can't wait to get on one. Instead of custom ordering it through pavel Im just going to get some that are in stock. Im not really into the crazy art dyes on the bottom and all the custom art so it should be fine. I think I'm just going to go with the no-pinlines and color "rainbow" logo on the front with the lockbox fin system. Any other designs that look good? This one seems to be standard and pretty good despite the brand name "rainbow"...thanks for the help any more input would be great
If you want honest input, here is mine. Get color. Pay the extra $100 for it. Why, because after you ride the board for a while, and decide that you want to downsize, which most do, you'll want to sell it. White boards, especially Fish, don't sell well. If you get a full color job, after a year of use, it will still look pretty nice. White will have faded and discolered, and you will have lost not only money, but it will take you far longer to sell it. Always get color on a Fish, mainly due to resale value alone.
I still feel strongly that you are getting the wrong board for the job. Maybe you should wait for the AB3 East and try out a bunch of boards before making the leap.
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LESider
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I'm a little confused, you want a mush buster but as people here have told you the speedialer doesn't really come into it own until there is some push and then instead of getting the size that would be good you are going for a "step up" size.
If you look at the outline of the speedialer it has some pretty parallel rails, my suggestion is if you want the float and length is to look for a quad fish with a little more curve in the outline it will fit in the crap surf we have here in the summer much better. My guess is that you will get this speedialer and not pull it out until we get some good hurricane swell.
Just my opinion.
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rice
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Rice: I'm 6'4" and 190.
Funny, you seem to be growing with each post...
I've been that height and weight for about 20 years.
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41591
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Just talked to the guys at the surf shop and pavel...Basically they said that the width and thickness from the 6'0 to the 6'4/6'6 really do not change. They also said that being from NJ and surfing gutless surf your going to need more float to get through flat sections. The way the concave is set up and with the pulled tail the board overall is really responsive. So basically there really is not a whole lot of difference between the 6'2 and 6'4 in the overall dimensions of the board. The only main difference is in the length which a potentially heavier taller guy like me would benefit from counting on the fact that I will grow more. The first guy at the shop said a 6'6/6'8 would be good but thats way to big and quickly disregarded those boards.
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BrownFish
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Man, your getting crappy advice. 2" on a speedialer is a shitload of foam. Can turn a speedboat into a Barge. But, hey, it's OK, learn from your mistakes, I have. But, please don't waste our time asking for our opinions. Especially cause the shop guys know so much more than we do.
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41591
Grom
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3 owners and "experts" from 3 different surf shops in the area that I will be surfing said a 6'4" would be a better selection over a 6'2". two of which said the thickness and length dimensions are not a whole lot different and if anything I would benefit from going bigger in the conditions I will be surfing. Im not wasting anyones time Its not set, the only reason I haven't pulled the trigger on a 6'4" if because some people are saying go smaller
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bobsurf
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I'm 195 lbs. I ride a 5'11" speeddialer.
Well, let me rephrase that. I ride my speeddialer when the surf is chest high or bigger. And even then, it's only the "right choice" for me when it's a longer, slower wave. When the surf is smaller, a twinzer or twin fin is light years better. When the surf requires tighter turns, not so much down the line surfing, I'd rather have my MTF, thurster, HP bonzer, etc.
Jeez. I might have to sell my SD.
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41591
Grom
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I rarely see anything above chest hight so I'd be fighting for speed with a 5'11"
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