weskus
Grom
Reged: 07/01/09
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What did you think of either these fins? Are they worth the $$$? Not many FCS test drive centres where I live...
p.s. currently using YUs and FG3's
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SharkBoy
Michael Peterson status
Reged: 10/22/04
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the H2's work great, especially in boards with forward volume and with a thicker rail
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hackeysaky
Miki Dora status
Reged: 12/19/02
Posts: 3823
Loc: NJ
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I've given up on riding H2's as a thruster, they feel really draggy while paddling, stiff at slow speed, and then get really loose (like downhilling on a skateboard with way too-lose trucks) as the board speeds up, but then start to ventillate (whistle) and lose their grip at speed.
I've experienced this with a bunch of sets, not just mine.
They have too many quirks and hang-ups as a thruster, IMO.
That said, I just started trying them as the forward fins in a quad (with smaller GX or GLB rears), and things are much improved, can apply more force than with a more standard and upright forward quad fin, but they still feel a little quirky and unpredictable at times.
Probably going back to more normal fins soon.
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000
Tom Curren status
Reged: 02/20/03
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ive been using h2s now for at least 3 years
i surf much better with them, and worse with normal fins.
faster, looser, more hold.
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Michael Peterson status
Reged: 11/01/03
Posts: 2686
Loc: SoCal
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H2's all the way around?
large?
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weskus
Grom
Reged: 07/01/09
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thanks for the feedback all.
000: what's your height\weight and which size H2's are you using?
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chrissurf
Grom
Reged: 08/03/08
Posts: 6
Loc: South bay
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Seems like not much has changed from the previous posts on H2 you either love'm or hate them. http://forum.surfermag.com/forum/showflat.php?Number=942485 I'm 170 5'11 tried them on 6' lost shark, 6'2 altenator, and sd2 never could get them to work for me I have a 5 fin set up large fronts and small for the backs if you're interested in picking up a set cheap.
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SharkBoy
Michael Peterson status
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Seems like not much has changed from the previous posts on H2 you either love'm or hate them. http://forum.surfermag.com/forum/showflat.php?Number=942485 I'm 170 5'11 tried them on 6' lost shark, 6'2 altenator, and sd2 never could get them to work for me I have a 5 fin set up large fronts and small for the backs if you're interested in picking up a set cheap.
i never really liked them on normal outline boards, but loved them in every single forward outline boards like my RNF's.
But i am not as good of a surfer as 000 is either
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hackeysaky
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Reged: 12/19/02
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Loc: NJ
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Sharkboy, I can see how they might work on something WP-forward, as you described. That is actually the reason I'm holding onto them for the time being. Did you run them as a thruster with the H2 center fin, or swap out something else for the center?
Matt Biolas once mentioned how the H2 larges are his fin of choice on his RNF (I believe an Aviso).
Has anyone else noticed an anchor-like effect during paddling when using them as a thruster?
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njsurfer42
Gerry Lopez status
Reged: 03/16/06
Posts: 1308
Loc: south jersey
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Has anyone else noticed an anchor-like effect during paddling when using them as a thruster?
brian wynn had them in a board (a quad) he brought to AB3 last september...i took it out for a bit & didn't notice any detrimental effect to the paddling of the board.
that board was faster than a cat w/ cans tied to its tail!
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hackeysaky
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Loc: NJ
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Yeah, I did not notice the drag when using them as a quad (with GL side-bites as trailers as per 000's recommendation), so I suspect it has something to do with using the big center fin, so I might try substituting either a H2 small as the trailer or some other more standard template.
What was Wynn using as the rear fins? I've tried using the H2 small sides, but it was WAY too much fin and got really squirrely through turns (too much lift?)
I did notice that riding the quad setup as described above (with GL rears) would let me power it off the top pretty hard (as 000 mentioned) but did occasionally forced me to do a two-step bottom turn when coming off the bottom of ledgy takeoffs, but that might be more the nature of riding a board with a pronounced hip as a quad than the fin setup itself.
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njsurfer42
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Reged: 03/16/06
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Loc: south jersey
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wynn was running the stock h-2 quad set...i don't remember seeing "large" or "small" on the fins where the fcs logo is printed, so i don't know what size the fins were.
i want to say that the h-2 quad set is medium fins all around. i'm assuming you had the larges as your lead fins when you tried them w/ the small rears? the larges would prob. be best w/ the g-xq rear fins.
i'm also really curious about the tc-aqualine set...i've got a board coming soon that's got really thick rails (a small wave board)...i generally like smaller fins for the rears of quads. i had one last summer that i rode w/ 50/50 foiled g-x trailers...no bueno. i'm thinking the 70/30 aqualine trailers would work better. not sure tho, & don't want to drop $100 on a set of fins i won't like...wouldn't have a problem getting the h-2 quad set, b/c i know i liked them in the board the i rode at ab3 (which had fairly full rails).
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Edited by njsurfer42 (03/14/10 07:43 AM)
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SharkBoy
Michael Peterson status
Reged: 10/22/04
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Sharkboy, I can see how they might work on something WP-forward, as you described. That is actually the reason I'm holding onto them for the time being. Did you run them as a thruster with the H2 center fin, or swap out something else for the center?
Matt Biolas once mentioned how the H2 larges are his fin of choice on his RNF (I believe an Aviso).
Has anyone else noticed an anchor-like effect during paddling when using them as a thruster?
I rocked the M3'a in the back on a Medium set for my 5'8" RNF, and just use the mediums with the old H2 rear (which was a small)on my 5'4"
I noticed the effect you are talking about when I had a set of the mediums in my 6'0" SB, but I noticed it less when I tried the smalls.
I think, simply put, the H2's are good for carving turns less for snappy turns, since a larger RNF doesn't do as tight responsive arcs as a performance shortboard, those fins suit that sort of board better.
A quad is sort of the same deal, if you are on rail you get the best out of it, if you are back foot snapping, there can be a dead zone where you suddenly stall. It seems those H2's enhance a quad because of that and make a thruster feel more like a quad in a way
Edited by SharkBoy (03/15/10 08:30 AM)
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eluviis
Legend (inyourownmind)
Reged: 10/08/09
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Loc: SoCal
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Hey njsurfer42... I have a set of Aqualines (quad), I'm not sold on the super-canted front fins, but I love the tiny trailers. They are placed really far back on the pegs. So what happens is the fins are smaller, but the space between the cluster increases. This I think helps with turning. What I feel is, I get a looser board (due to the small trailers) but that turns more predictably. I'm currently running them with PC7 fronts on a 5'6" Firewire Retro Quadfish. -D
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njsurfer42
Gerry Lopez status
Reged: 03/16/06
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Loc: south jersey
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Hey njsurfer42... I have a set of Aqualines (quad), I'm not sold on the super-canted front fins, but I love the tiny trailers. They are placed really far back on the pegs. So what happens is the fins are smaller, but the space between the cluster increases. This I think helps with turning. What I feel is, I get a looser board (due to the small trailers) but that turns more predictably. I'm currently running them with PC7 fronts on a 5'6" Firewire Retro Quadfish. -D
the fins being set back far on the tabs is one of the things that gives me pause, as the plugs on this board are set fairly far back to being with. not sure how that combo would work...if the aqualine rears were set more forward on the tab, i think it would be a no-brainer.
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eluviis
Legend (inyourownmind)
Reged: 10/08/09
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Loc: SoCal
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Nah dude... I can understand your argument. But, this would be a problem if the fins were big. That would make the board all stiff and tracky. But, given how small the fins are it helps to avoid making the board way too lose. I have surfed these on my Dominator and compared them to SF4's. While I prefer the SF4 setup, I'd be just as happy with the Aquas on there. The board is actually looser with the Aquas even with the fins being so far back on the pegs. The only reason I prefer the SF4's is because I get a bit more drive. That's it.
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