r32
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http://www.wave-garden.com/
Man-made wave simulates an ocean break:
Instant Engineering Company presents Wavegarden®. Our vision gives people of all ages and surfing levels the ability to enjoy a beach environment and a real surfing experience...beyond the oceans of the world. Wavegarden’s cutting edge technology allows for the creation of a broad and customisable range of authentic surfing waves in a safe and natural environment. This cost effective and environmentally friendly wave generation technology is now available to the public and for the first time makes economically-viable inland wave sports and lifestyle facilities possible.
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casa_mugrienta
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Just finished reading through the site. I'm impressed. Waves up to chest high and 3km long. Linear and circular (never-ending) waves. Any style of wave. But they're still not showing how it's done, and I'm guessing with good reason.
Sorry, Kelly.
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KevO
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Wave gardens ruined surfing
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manjushri
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bunch of donkeys.
check the video.. opening shot even.
donkeys cruising.. donkey rides, pet donkeys... are they included with wavegarden when i buy it or are they add-ons? what about the donkeys that just show up after i build it? & when the donkeys breeds the horses? where will the mules go?
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diro
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perhaps they are using "flying reef" technology that is being pulled through the water a few feet below the surface?
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surfer57
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Very cool but no offense they're all shots of sheet glass. What happens with a bit of wind? I know it'd be pretty easy to situate it out of the wind or just indoors but still, with little driving it, what would a light wind do to the shape of it? They make it look immaculate without any wind only.
Peace,
Kyle
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silentbutdeadly
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That's what I was thinking but what happens when you fall? How do you avoid the moving parts?
Other than the wave going the wrong way (  ) I think it's pretty cool. But oh yeah, I'm supposed to be core and say that it will ruin surfing.
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Coque
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bunch of donkeys.
check the video.. opening shot even.
donkeys cruising.. donkey rides, pet donkeys... are they included with wavegarden when i buy it or are they add-ons? what about the donkeys that just show up after i build it? & when the donkeys breeds the horses? where will the mules go?
Are you talking about the SUPer???
Coque.
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r32
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Kelly probably thought he was going to have a monopoly on his hands, when he unleashes his own wave machine. Looks like these guys beat him to the punch. 
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afoaf
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it's a trivial amount of fetch, no?
the real issue, as brought up on the sways thread, is that after
that first wave, you have a shitton of chop and energy bouncing
around within a confined space.
how long between waves?
what does the second wave look like?
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SenorStoked
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it's a trivial amount of fetch, no?
the real issue, as brought up on the sways thread, is that after
that first wave, you have a shitton of chop and energy bouncing
around within a confined space.
how long between waves?
what does the second wave look like?
Ding, Ding, Ding...
And this is completely different than Slater's idea anyways. Slater is looking to pump out head high+ surf in a pool not waist-chest high lake waves. 
We'll see what happens seems there's a lot of mystery behind this whole thing.
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silentbutdeadly
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Very good questions/points afoaf
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GWS
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it's a trivial amount of fetch, no?
the real issue, as brought up on the sways thread, is that after
that first wave, you have a shitton of chop and energy bouncing
around within a confined space.
how long between waves?
what does the second wave look like?
I have a coulpe of friends that are seriously heavy into water skiing buoys. To the point that they go to these little tiny private lakes out in the desert. Guys take a D-9, scratch out a small lake and do buoy runs. Anyway, they place islands in the lake to kill the wake so they can do continuous runs. Always glassy and smooth even with the boat tearing around in circles in a chest deep, tiny "lake." Seems like something could be worked here where the wave/surge funnels into a channel where it dissipates in isolation and then circles around and feeds back out into your lake.
Wind is easy. Build it so prevailing winds are off shore. Put up walls and trees for wind breaks. Go out into the desert where land is dirt cheap and it's hot. Palm Springs. Mojave. The Middle East. Get those kids something to do besides memorizing the Koran and blowing themsleves up and you've probably done more for World Peace than anyone.
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BaliIdiot
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I love the wave garden, and like the
Lutherans I will devote my life to the pulling away from the Papacy, which in this case is the ocean.
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retodd
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i want one
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n0mad
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it's a trivial amount of fetch, no?
the real issue, as brought up on the sways thread, is that after
that first wave, you have a shitton of chop and energy bouncing
around within a confined space.
how long between waves?
what does the second wave look like?
Good point. And if they succeed in achieving their goal of shoulder high waves the problem will be bigger. But I see a possible workaround, if they increase notably the size of the pool you get two positive effects.
1. The rides are longer and thus worth the wait.
2. Since the pool is bigger the turbulence has more room to disperse and the border effects are less important.
If they get to the goal of shoulder high waves with that shape and make the pool bigger 
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r32
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It will be interesting to see how many waves they can create in an hour.
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gaiasdad
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Kelly probably thought he was going to have a monopoly on his hands, when he unleashes his own wave machine. Looks like these guys beat him to the punch.
It's good to see some competition building... the 'space race' of surfing.
The ball is Slater's court now...
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GWS
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I can now retire to the desert and build The Compound. Miles from everything and everyone. Spanish Ranch style, full of tile, arches and moats. All connected to my wave pool, and all behind a giant block wall. Of course I will need a gun tower where, after a day of surfing my private wave, I can retire with a few drinks and a .50 sniper rifle to bust targets out a 1/2 mile from my wall. Behind the wall, packs of blood-thirsty pit bulls roam free, lurking among the bathtub booby traps hidden throughout the compound...
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afoaf
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I noticed in the videos that they have a bank, a wide flat
area and then a second bank in to the water.
I imagine that the flats that are slightly above water level
(and probably at a slight decline) allows wake to wash way
up on to it and then slowly drain back in to the main body.
just a thought...certainly no shots of back to back waves.
my montana dream just got more real...build it next to an
active stream and install a water wheel...build tension on
a spring system for the flying reef system.
surf. fly fish. surf. fly fish. shoot stuff. surf.
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Waldo
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Looks knice.
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GWS
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I noticed in the videos that they have a bank, a wide flat
area and then a second bank in to the water.
I imagine that the flats that are slightly above water level
(and probably at a slight decline) allows wake to wash way
up on to it and then slowly drain back in to the main body.
just a thought...certainly no shots of back to back waves.
my montana dream just got more real...build it next to an
active stream and install a water wheel...build tension on
a spring system for the flying reef system.
surf. fly fish. surf. fly fish. shoot stuff. surf.
You can come visit me at The Compound.
I'll have a shaping machine...
We can build crazy $hit, surf and shoot things!
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BaliIdiot
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10 million dollars and you can lock the door to the rest of the world.
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jp68
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if you had a vertical wall moving horizontally at some depth in the water upstream that wave could possibly  be generated
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afoaf
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I'll plan on wintering in Mojave...apocalyptic snow bird.
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r32
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at 0:59 of this video, it looks like a boil in the background. also notice he gets into the pool at about the half-way point.
at 1:11, you can pause and see a huge green tube looking thing going down into the water from a little (pump?) house.
Aritz Aranburu at Wavegarden from wavegarden on Vimeo.
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CJSB
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Does anyone really think Slater would put his name on something that was only knee high...The wave garden people created a wave that is smaller than most ski boat's wake.
I imagine Slater won't stop this project until he creates a wave that is atleast head high.
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BaliIdiot
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apocalyptic snow bird is the name of my new cultural dissemination apparatus for the betterment of general culture.
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Coque
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Does anyone really think Slater would put his name on something that was only knee high...The wave garden people created a wave that is smaller than most ski boat's wake.
I imagine Slater won't stop this project until he creates a wave that is atleast head high.
Do you think those guys will stop at knee high?
The guy behind that has been doing his homework for many years. He's a good surfer and the guy is smart, and you can bet he likes to ride bigger waves than knee high.
They proved they can create a perfect knee high wave and i'm sure they're now going for a bigger one.
Truth is none of the pool waves i've seen before created a nicer wave than this one.
Coque.
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GDaddy
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I'll bet you could do that on a couple acres out in the Salton Sea area and draw the water from there.
I would think that safety would be a big issue. They've got a couple other vids, including one with a surf school, and the water is barely knee deep in a couple shots. Prolly not everywhere, but it still only takes one kook to dive off headfirst to create a liability nightmare.
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BaliIdiot
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Does anyone really think Slater would put his name on something that was only knee high...The wave garden people created a wave that is smaller than most ski boat's wake.
I imagine Slater won't stop this project until he creates a wave that is atleast head high.
Do you think those guys will stop at knee high?
The guy behind that has been doing his homework for many years. He's a good surfer and the guy is smart, and you can bet he likes to ride bigger waves than knee high.
They proved they can create a perfect knee high wave and i'm sure they're now going for a bigger one.
Truth is none of the pool waves i've seen before created a nicer wave than this one.
Coque.
Yup, with you on this one. Slater is fiercely debating whether or not he should stay on tour a bit longer.
This thing is epoch shifting.
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diro
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surfline.com article link on wave garden w/ more detailed quotes on how it works.
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r32
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Prolly not everywhere, but it still only takes one kook to dive off headfirst to create a liability nightmare.
Lawyers, contracts and legal jargon. It's just like any water park now that exist already, with much more dangerous rides than this looks to be.
How do all the existing water/theme parks keep from getting sued when Little Johnny decides it's more fun to go down the tube head first and busts his tooth on the last turn? Lawyers. Put up signs, have the participants sign waivers. I don't think it's that big of a deal.
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r32
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Wonder how much they had to give BobbyM to have him come test it out? 
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How does it work? The engineer of the project, José Manuel Odriozola (aka Josema), explains: "A specially designed profile pushes the water towards the shore. The shore has a particular contour so the wave peels at the right angle. It seems simple but it's taken us years to make it work efficiently and reliably." Ion Eizaguirre tests it out.
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So, uh, what kinda specs are we talking about? "Wavegarden has a minimum requirement of 492 x 164 feet," explains Josema. "We recommend an area of 984 x 328 feet. There is no maximum size since Wavegarden holds its form over any distance. Technology doesn't limit the wave size; profitability does because the bigger the wave, the more energy it needs and so the harder it is to be profitable." Roy Powers punches the clock.
"We think it's basic that we focus on the wave's quality," says Josema. "To have a proper wave that takes you and peels non-stop, size will not be so important. We've focused on that for a long time and we haven't finished yet."
Jordy, Garth Tarlow and Bobby, psyching. The crew rode regular shortboards. Aritz Araburu -- former WTer and local test pilot -- has been doing much of the same. "I've been testing different boards on the wave," he said. "I've been riding the ones I normally ride on my beachbreak in Zarautz. My magic board which is a 5'9"x 18 1/2" x 2 1/4" has been working really good over there."
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We asked Aranburu if it helped his regular surfing. "It does," he said. "I've been using it on my training program. You can see every ride from really close and you can give an advice to the surfer while he is paddling back to the lineup."
Josema and crew are focused on making the Wavegarden a viable surf-first business. "We started by knowing which parameters made a surfing-only installation profitable," he says. "We know where the limit is, and that's dictated our approach in terms of low initial investment and exploitation costs -- and the capacity to host a high number of surfers." Indar Unanue gives it a pump.
azilian Leo Neves works on his WQS attack. "To find out how to create a good wave is not so difficult -- especially in a scale model," explains Josema. "To know how to make it profitable is another thing altogether."
Indar Unanue leans into yet another bottom turn. "We're technically able to make a wave that keeps its shape, speed and power for an unlimited distance," says Josema. "The ride can last as long as the body of water is long." Talk about thigh-burning.
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rrhyne
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Going to buy me a wave generating macine, a tractor and some land by a lake.
I'll surf a new break every month:
March, my southern baja right point replica (does the behind the rocks thing the whole way)
April, slabby socal replica
May, mid baja point replica (does the warbly backwash barrel thing the whole way)
June, an experimental wedge
July is logging at the bu month
Now taking suggestions for this fall's waves.
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r32
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Be sure to dig yourself a crescent shaped lake for the Fall Rincon-like Classic.
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i want 1
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BaliIdiot
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I am going to invest in my own private wave machine and 10 years worth of the best smack that money can buy.. then say bye-bye to the lot of you!
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!
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rrhyne
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Why are these guys stressed about profitability with an 'endless wave'?
They can double their produced waves by making an A frame setup. Make each side section once to quadruple the amount of riders per wave.
August's wave at the wave ranch (assuming Balidiot grants copyright permission):
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Edited by rrhyne (02/15/11 09:20 AM)
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buffalobill
Grom
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That wOuld be good minus the pollution, you could shape the reefoutofdead fish.
Just wondering about this it is fresh water no? Equals less buoyancy so you need a bigger theicker board?
Salt on sea would besuperbouyant
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