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TOMO UNI-DIRECTIONAL CARBON FLEXFOIL. A new uni-directional carbon fibre lamination for the Modern Planing Hull (MPH) range to give the boards greater response, control and drive.
Noticeably more response to energies exerted by the surfer with a rapid flex memory and controlled flex distribution.
The foil pattern gives more stiffness through the front foot which allows the board to punch solidly through the lip or chops on the face while effectively and evenly distributing the load through to a more flexible tail for added thrust (acceleration) through turns, much like a fin distributes load through to the tip for drive
Do you like or have you tried Resin X construction? It's pretty amazing stuff when you're wanting some twang and reflex response. The feeling is invigorating.. You might not even need or want the carbon.
Not in the slightest. While that brawl about pop outs and associated coolness was going on I did point out that his Dad has his surf mats made in Asia. Is this why you'd assume I have some problem? I also pointed out that both Simon Anderson and Luke Short (LSD) have a range of sup's made in Asia as well. The term "planned obsolesencse" was coined by a Harley Davidson designer I understand. The I phone would be a good example. Or your VHS or Beta collection which was thrown out long ago. For example, I'd say the same thing to someone who was bummed out that their 2010 model car didn't have ABS brakes like the new 2011 model. Not sure why I'm bothering to explain myself to someone who hasn't paid enough attention in school to use capital letters at the start of sentences and when using someone's surname though.
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Not sure why I'm bothering to explain myself to someone who hasn't paid enough attention in school to use capital letters at the start of sentences and when using someone's surname though.
...because you care what he thinks.
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Not sure why I'm bothering to explain myself to someone who hasn't paid enough attention in school to use capital letters at the start of sentences and when using someone's surname though.
Nah! More force of habit from trying to teach my children to speak correctly and spell well. Anyway, back to Tomo's latest innovation in speed sleds....
...because you care what he thinks. [/quo
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Quote: Not in the slightest. While that brawl about pop outs and associated coolness was going on I did point out that his Dad has his surf mats made in Asia. Is this why you'd assume I have some problem? I also pointed out that both Simon Anderson and Luke Short (LSD) have a range of sup's made in Asia as well. The term "planned obsolesencse" was coined by a Harley Davidson designer I understand. The I phone would be a good example. Or your VHS or Beta collection which was thrown out long ago. For example, I'd say the same thing to someone who was bummed out that their 2010 model car didn't have ABS brakes like the new 2011 model. Not sure why I'm bothering to explain myself to someone who hasn't paid enough attention in school to use capital letters at the start of sentences and when using someone's surname though.
Planned obsolescence is where mean times between failure (MTBF) are designed into a system. La wik:
Quote: Planned obsolescence or built-in obsolescence[1] in industrial design is a policy of deliberately planning or designing a product with a limited useful life, so it will become obsolete or nonfunctional after a certain period.[1] Planned obsolescence has potential benefits for a producer because to obtain continuing use of the product the consumer is under pressure to purchase again, whether from the same manufacturer (a replacement part or a newer model), or from a competitor which might also rely on planned obsolescence.[1]
Sure, he has come out with a newer and - in his view - better design, but that doesn't mean that the old design had decay or failure designed into it.
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Quote: Not in the slightest. While that brawl about pop outs and associated coolness was going on I did point out that his Dad has his surf mats made in Asia. Is this why you'd assume I have some problem? I also pointed out that both Simon Anderson and Luke Short (LSD) have a range of sup's made in Asia as well. The term "planned obsolesencse" was coined by a Harley Davidson designer I understand. The I phone would be a good example. Or your VHS or Beta collection which was thrown out long ago. For example, I'd say the same thing to someone who was bummed out that their 2010 model car didn't have ABS brakes like the new 2011 model. Not sure why I'm bothering to explain myself to someone who hasn't paid enough attention in school to use capital letters at the start of sentences and when using someone's surname though.
Planned obsolescence is where mean times between failure (MTBF) are designed into a system. La wik:
Quote: Planned obsolescence or built-in obsolescence[1] in industrial design is a policy of deliberately planning or designing a product with a limited useful life, so it will become obsolete or nonfunctional after a certain period.[1] Planned obsolescence has potential benefits for a producer because to obtain continuing use of the product the consumer is under pressure to purchase again, whether from the same manufacturer (a replacement part or a newer model), or from a competitor which might also rely on planned obsolescence.[1]
Sure, he has come out with a newer and - in his view - better design, but that doesn't mean that the old design had decay or failure designed into it.
The obsolesence can be perceived by the consumer because as you just stated "PR" dude "he has come out with a newer - and his view - better design" So what is the consumer supposed to think? So by continued design changes the consumer "thinks" their latest and greatest board design is now surpassed by the the newest one. It's a necessity for all the top board designer/shapers to keep on bringing out new models or tweaks to new models. They can keep the pace up on these because hp boards are not made to last. My initial post was made because the comment from the poster saying he should have waited started with "Burn" which implies he was burnt. All we need to realise is there's always improvements to be made when it comes to boards. Shapers making cutting edge boards aren't out to burn anyone they are simply creating at a fast rate.
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Quote: be careful, PRCalDude sleeps with his Tomo while his wife is forced to use the couch in the other room.
dude, my insane uncle used to do exactly this with his putter when feeling hot with it, said he wanted to keep it warm! I would love to try a super-sized version of this board. If its anything like his Vector model it hauls-ass..
Quote: be careful, PRCalDude sleeps with his Tomo while his wife is forced to use the couch in the other room.
Shhhh. You'll wake him.
Quote: The obsolesence can be perceived by the consumer because as you just stated "PR" dude "he has come out with a newer - and his view - better design" So what is the consumer supposed to think? So by continued design changes the consumer "thinks" their latest and greatest board design is now surpassed by the the newest one.
Do you go out and buy a new car every year when the car company comes out with the next model, or do you look at your old one and think, "I'm going to get a lot of good usage out of this and it works pretty damn well - I'm going to hold onto it?"
Planned obsolescence is what American car companies did for years - they'd design your tranny to die at 80k and your engine to die at 120k. Meanwhile, the Japanese were eating their lunch by designing to MTBFs of over 200k for everything. Get it?
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Read through this definition of obsolete. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/obsolete The crux of your argument is on part A of the definition ie failure of the product thus it is no longer being useful. I'm talking about part B of the definition where it becomes of a kind or style no longer current. This is what Harley having been doing for decades with their motorcycles. Same powerplant with a bunch of different frames. Then they'd alter them stylistically to make new models and then alter these from year to year with parts while keeping the same basic powerplant. Not meant to fail mechanically but to become dated stylistically. Stuff this anyway...where's Tomo to tell us about the flex characteristics of the added carbon? I like carbon fibre, especially when the entire board's made of it with an eps blank inside. Most surfers will never experience the feel of a carbon fibre board as the focus is on cheap and disposable.
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Not sure why I'm bothering to explain myself to someone who hasn't paid enough attention in school to use capital letters at the start of sentences and when using someone's surname though.
Aw man you really hit where it hurts,I'm wounded,truly wounded.
Quote: I'm talking about part B of the definition where it becomes of a kind or style no longer current. This is what Harley having been doing for decades with their motorcycles. Same powerplant with a bunch of different frames. Then they'd alter them stylistically to make new models and then alter these from year to year with parts while keeping the same basic powerplant. Not meant to fail mechanically but to become dated stylistically.
I don't think this qualifies as it's a pretty signficant materials re-design as well as a widened tail and a ditching of the channels. I could have bought a carbon fiber board from him in the first place but didn't want to spend the money.
I see your point though. Still, men typically lose their creative energies by their mid-30s so I think Tomo just hasn't hit that point. The other shapers just steal from one another and don't apply any sort of hydrodynamic reasoning to their craft. Why are Dane and Slade having to do the experimentation on their boards rather than their shapers doing it for them? It seems as if a lot of shapers just sort of fail out of competitive surfing and into shaping by default, not by choice.
Having said all that, I'm not rushing out to replace my old Tomos with new ones because this board is out. Carbon fiber is not a cheap material either.
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Looks like we're starting to get onto the same page once we've got our definitions nutted out. I'm in agreement re shapers and creativity in that I've had boards from Dick Van Straalen, McCoy and Michael Cundith (ex pat Californian based in Byron) and all of them are fairly un-willing to alter their tried and true shape/fin combos. This is a sweeping statement but other young up and coming shapers are far more willing to try whatever as long as you foot the bill. I was staying at one of the 3 above named shapers house a while back and asked him if he had any new models in the works (given the innovations around in alternative board shapes and construction) and he said No, because he has all the models that could work well and he'd been there and done that so knew what worked and what didn't. Of course Tomo is pushing the boundaries and good on him. Those who ride his boards just need to be aware that the innovations will keep on coming due to his use of different materials combined with his unique board shapes to achieve something more advanced.
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I see your point though. Still, men typically lose their creative energies by their mid-30s so I think Tomo just hasn't hit that point. The other shapers just steal from one another and don't apply any sort of hydrodynamic reasoning to their craft. Why are Dane and Slade having to do the experimentation on their boards rather than their shapers doing it for them? It seems as if a lot of shapers just sort of fail out of competitive surfing and into shaping by default, not by choice
Surfing is a funny sport, everyone likes to think they know something that someone else doesn’t, or somehow more enlightened because of our experience in the water and hence more entitled to poignant opinion.
Its only surfing ya know....
I’m just out there trying to get the most of my experience on a daily basis and trying to share these (fuk!n exciting!!) feelings in a articulate manner. I really don’t feel like im creating a rapid rate, or at least challenging myself very much. One thing you can be certain of is: i will be continuing to design an refine new stuff on a regular basis for my foreseeable future. is there anyone truly bummed about that??
to answer a couple of the senisble q's: i will be showing these at Sacred Craft SC, amoung other new stuff. *etmo : that is not my board, it is a stock for Japan where they have been selling for months and if you read through my origional description, you will find the answer to q 1. peace.
My comment has no negative towards you just the poster it was directed to. The basis in design you use comes from those older than 30. Pure function and not marketing.
Really? Because Bob Simmons was under 30 when he came up with the planing hull. In fact, he was in his mid-20s. I don't think Tomo is over 30. Wasn't Steve Lis like 17 when he came up with his first prototype?
If you want to read back through history, most of the great discoveries have been made by men in their early-to-mid 20s. Newton published Principia when he was 23, Einstein published his paper on special relativity in his mid 20s, Thomas Watson was in his mid 20s when he received his Nobel, James Clerk Maxwell was about 30 when he published the papers containing his equations.
Not trying to be offensive, bro, just stating a fact. Every scientist will tell you things start to head downhill in your 4th decade of life.
When i take one of my boards at 62 years old and fine tune the size of its fins i am creating.
Many have ridden and talked about this board since. It goes straight against the plastic finned flyer based board promoted for 15 years. Its not on the interweb or written about so you have no knowledge of it. Again its a waste of time to try to explain anything here. Back to pretty pictures.
a beautifull board with a well thought approuch. i made a few with wood stringer and uni directional carbon and it looks like a not so different solution... one thing i noticed are the 5 boxes seem to stiffen the tail.
saludos youve
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Quote: Really? Because Bob Simmons was under 30 when he came up with the planing hull. In fact, he was in his mid-20s. I don't think Tomo is over 30. Wasn't Steve Lis like 17 when he came up with his first prototype?
If you want to read back through history, most of the great discoveries have been made by men in their early-to-mid 20s. Newton published Principia when he was 23, Einstein published his paper on special relativity in his mid 20s, Thomas Watson was in his mid 20s when he received his Nobel, James Clerk Maxwell was about 30 when he published the papers containing his equations.
Not trying to be offensive, bro, just stating a fact. Every scientist will tell you things start to head downhill in your 4th decade of life.
Did you even read those links before posting them?
Quote: By subjecting these various hypotheses to econometric analysis, Jones concludes that the upward trend for productive innovators does not merely reflect the aging population, but in fact is a result of a substantial decline in the innovative output of younger individuals. Meanwhile, there appears to be no relative increase in the innovation potential of those beyond middle age. Other things equal, the less time innovators spend successfully innovating, the smaller will be their lifetime output. In fact, estimates point to a 30 percent decline in life-cycle innovation potential over the twentieth century.
So scientists are becoming less innovative as they spend more time in school and part of the upward median shift of Nobel prize winning age is just due to the young becoming less productive, resulting in an overall drop in scientific achievement. He's saying that middle-aged men are just defaulting into the winning category because younger men are slaving away for some advisor during their entire 20s, not because middle-aged men were becoming more productive. Steve Sailer argued this same thing awhile back.
The previous link said that physics PhDs were awarded later because physics itself was becoming less useful and more fantastical per Feynman's prediction.
Quote: It is also interesting to note that the median age of Literature Nobel prize recipients is a whooping 12 years higher than that of the Physics recipients. It is easy to speculate as to why this is so, but I shall restrain myself. I will conjecture, however, that, as physics gets more and more detached from reality (the infamous theory of superstrings is the prime example of this), it becomes exceedingly akin to poetry, albeit expressed in the terse language of mathematics. Based on my StudyWorks regression analysis, I predict that, by the year 2010, the deterioration of science will result in the age of Physics Nobel prize laureates being the same as that of the Literature laureates.
That said, there's also some degree of rise due to rising life expectancies, though the mean life expectancy in the Western world has been about double that of the rest of the world for a couple of centuries. I'm not sure about that, but I'll find some more data later.
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