sakana_kid
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I was thinking of getting back on quads after surfing thrusters for the last few years. I remember having more fun on quads due to the speed and looseness. At the time I wanted to be able to get more square off the bottom turn and switched. What you guys riding?
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jkb
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Try a Lost Stealth. Good as either a quad or thruster. I love mine.
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kooky
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Awesome choice. I have a FireWire spitfire (I know plenty of FW haters here, keep it on a different thread) and wanted a board that was durable and I could travel with. Was very interested in the FW lost stealth and spitfire. On CL a spit came up first in my size so I grabbed it and absolutely love it!!!! Btw, the dims on the lost site for the Stealth in PU and the dims on my Spitfire are exactly the same, while the FW version is a little smaller. Balance point (width) is in the exact location as well, and outline is very very similar.
Top to bottom I think Lost fits my surfing better than any other big brand (tried CI for a long time as well and just never really connected with them, never should have sold my SD2 to get a Flyer). Really would like to try the Motivator in a slightly shorter length ad well. Just never can find them on CL.
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Try a Lost Stealth. Good as either a quad or thruster. I love mine.
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finboy3
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The Stretch F4 with a pulled swallow. Easily my favorite. It actually pumps up speed like a thruster, just way looser and faster. Will quickly improve your surfing.
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Oceanslide
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Von Sol Comet and Hornet. Best shortboard hybrids I've had
and both work in a very wide range of conditions.
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finboy3
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those Von Sols are NOTHING like a Stretch quad, the forming requiring far less rider input, blah blah. No comparison. See Nathan Fletcher's surfing.
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retodd
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dont own a hybrid so no comment
My 6-1 swallow tail blur is BY FAR the best quad hpsb i have ever surfed
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Oceanslide
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You forgot to add "IMO".
I've had a Stretch quad. For me, VS hands-down. IMO. 
Not that the Stretch wasn't a good board.
Different strokes...
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silentbutdeadly
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those Von Sols are NOTHING like a Stretch quad, the forming requiring far less rider input, blah blah. No comparison. See Nathan Fletcher's surfing.
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FresnoRipper
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Roberts Diamond Fish 
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ifallalot
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Any good shortboard will work as either a quad or a thruster depending on finbox placement and fins
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Greg Griffin
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Boards designed and made by shapers are nice 
Old school stuff.
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paunch23
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I own one of these from 2008, and i NEVER get to use anymore cuz i was like 20 pounds over at the time so is big,,,6'3,,,,been thinking ill use it when it ets big,,but now i guess i should just sell it and get something ill use more often.
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ghostshaper
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A wide tailed quad with fins on the rail is going to fly in summer mush and be loose as a goose in a caboose (sorry, I have 3 and 5 yr olds).
My coil m80 was the fastest, loosest board I've ever owned.
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finboy3
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I was way behind the times, so the Stretch is my first EPS board--what a revelation for the big guys. All the float without the bloat.
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Greg Griffin
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Hybrid +
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finboy3
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I think it's how you wanna surf. The F4 is a more performance board than the VS. That's a fact. Longboarders like longboards cause that's how they surf. Fish riders...same thing. Ride what you want, of course, but these two shapes are apples/oranges, for sure.
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finboy3
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Greg, I have a Steve Seebold quad fish that we modeled on a DVS shape. It has just a very subtle concave thoughout. Is this how you did the bottom on this shape? I will never sell it!
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sakana_kid
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Lotsa good stuff here. It seems like most of these quads are finned with the rears closer to the stringer. I understand that makes it surf more like a thruster without sacrificing quad speed. Greg's fins are much closer to the rail which should keep it feeling looser and faster correct?
Retodd- you prefer the blur as a quad?
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retodd
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yes , i surf it a a quad 90% of the time
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Oceanslide
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Fact? 
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finboy3
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yes, some boards are more high performance than others. But like I said, folks find what suits their style. The F4 is unlike any VS and will handle waves that I would never wanna try, yet will kill it in small surf as well. The R&D is well-documented, going back to Cole/Fletcher; there is NO higher performing quad than the F4. See Bruce Irons at Pipe last year. NO.
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caramel_Sea
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Doent U knoew der is no haigher preformants scurfer den kewrry scraterr!?!
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finboy3
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no, all kidding aside, Fletcher's quad surfing comes from another dimension. Maybe not for everyone, but certainly awe inspiring.
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sakana_kid
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I loved the Stretch Magnet. It's the stubby version of the F4.
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Greg Griffin
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These side fins are at 1" off the rail.
This is because the board is made to be a 5 fin as well where the side fins work best at 1" off the rail.
My 4 fins work best at 1" - 1 1/8 " off the rail
Once you put them say 1 1/2" in the outer fin comes into play and makes the fins way less efficient and closer to a thruster.
Thrusters are still the best overall design and these rail finned boards are exciting to ride.
Lots of room for both.
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finboy3
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Strange thing, but I find it so much easier to keep my back foot in the pad on this particular quad. You must've been talking fins with Stretch recently, as it sounds as if you guys reached the same conclusion on fin placement.
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c_olden
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Love my Stretch/Fletcher Quads an' Pugskate.
But, I've been so stock'd(sic) on Mr.Buzz, I can barely
contain myself.
Every session is a blast!!!
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surfaider
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Firewire Dominator is a great 5-fin option, has a lot of volume in the nose and you can still throw the tail, I surf it as a 5'10 and I'm about 6'1 175 LBS. Gives me enough flotation to catch anything.
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bigduke6
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Better yet Paul… when are you selling me that J.Ho ?????
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rbrown
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I only surf boards shaped, surfed and built by Surfers! Some people get the wrong ideas about some boards based on a limited source of knowledge and a lack of understanding. If you can't ride what you sell get a job. If you can't surf what you shape get a job. The best quad shortboard in my quiver is my personal 5' 11" VS Hornet. Hands down a true keeper. I've surfed it in dub overhead Trestles to 3' Sano. I have sat back long enough and read so much crap on design here. Time to come out of the shaping room and talk about something I do know. Greg we share a passion for design and have been at this game for a long flipping time.
Time to go play on my new longboard. Its glassy and 1 to 3.
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Greg Griffin
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Yay
Post some pics , I know you got them .
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retodd
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u all knew i was gonna post this. it just works better than everything else, for me 
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silentbutdeadly
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u all knew i was gonna post this. it just works better than everything else, for me
Whoa, new board? Never seen that before!
lol, if it aint broke don't fix it 
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rbrown
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I will as I see needed. This board surfs everything I have put her through.
She is 5'11" x 19 1/2 x 2 7/16 with a thinned out rail sporting a thumb tail. I like rounded tails. Smooth lines with natural curves. Keeping it simple I guess.
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ghostshaper
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I will as I see needed. This board surfs everything I have put her through.
She is 5'11" x 19 1/2 x 2 7/16 with a thinned out rail sporting a thumb tail. I like rounded tails. Smooth lines with natural curves. Keeping it simple I guess.
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finboy3
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Is this an oblique jab at Stretch 'cause his arm's jacked-up? How can one have the wrong ideas about a board that is so clearly superior? Everyone knows the design history of the F4, especially Cole's original collaboration with Fletcher. Now VS is using deck channels and a host of other borrowed ideas. So what? I'm just stoked to be riding a classic quad design that clearly set the standard and continues to set the standard for quad performance surfing.
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ghostshaper
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Not at Stretch. You should probably edit your post.
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finboy3
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oh, figures I misunderstood. But pretty funny how I got hip to the F4. Turtle from the movie North Shore has one. He surfs at spot where I surf alot. He surfs really well, actually! Said it was his favorite board. So I was thinking about it for a few months. Then I saw Bruce Irons ride one at pipe. That did it. Now what to do will all these boards I won't be riding anymore...total quiver killer.
Edited by finboy3 (06/25/12 12:58 PM)
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