donniedarko
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Spoke to Rich and Bufo today at length. Pretty cool
Someone posted a comment about the combe and they are building them. The caveat will be the expense. The blanks are like $200. Point being he said the cost on the rack will be around the Supercharged models 
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Alex_AJ
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I think I'm one of the guys who asked. The high price tag seemed justified to me, even if I can't afford it. I mean everybody raves about the Incide blank, and they don't seem that easy to make. And Same thing for Hydrolex. And the end result should last a pretty long time. The minute I win the lottery I'm ordering one and I'll let you know guys. 
Thanks for asking the HF people DD. 
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donniedarko
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I think I'm one of the guys who asked. The high price tag seemed justified to me, even if I can't afford it. I mean everybody raves about the Incide blank, and they don't seem that easy to make. And Same thing for Hydrolex. And the end result should last a pretty long time. The minute I win the lottery I'm ordering one and I'll let you know guys.
Thanks for asking the HF people DD.
Your welcome... Bufo is a funny character but cool as shvt and my inner nerd was amping on questioning my opinion and theories. He actually seemed on the fence with Incide blanks which time didnt afford me to find out why. Smart fvcken dude, and knows physics of flex, CoR, loading and the imperical side of it. Thought I was talking to a guy who designed snowboards more then surfboards by his sense of flex rates etc... cool stuff 
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so those blanks have CARBON in the middle. i wonder if that even makes a noticeable difference vs a blank with a carbon deck instead. easier to
do, cheaper, cuts down on deck dents.....
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Jacksonson
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Carbon on the outside results in a stiffer board than if placed on the neutral axis which is located at the center line of the foam core.
All depends what type of flex you're after.
I assume the incide tech carbon is there to improve "twang" or the diving board effect, and not necessarily aimed at increasing overall stiffness.
Bert Burger did a similar kind of thing years ago with his wood springer concept.
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Alex_AJ
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Yeah, I would have been nerding out too. I wonder why Buffo was on the fence about the Incide Blank. Does HF develop his on blanks as well? (Sorry if it's a stupid question, I haven't looked into it). There's not doubt Buffo is a smart guy. And prolly a hell of a shaper too. I think he was shaping for CI in France. Have you, or has anybody tried his board?
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Yeah, I would have been nerding out too. I wonder why Buffo was on the fence about the Incide Blank. Does HF develop his on blanks as well? (Sorry if it's a stupid question, I haven't looked into it). There's not doubt Buffo is a smart guy. And prolly a hell of a shaper too. I think he was shaping for CI in France. Have you, or has anybody tried his board?
I rode his boogie fish at the last sacred craft. Thing was perfect in 15th st mush. Psi was mid-range at 4.5.
I've had my supercharger for almost two months and have tried it at mid-range pressure and low pressure (3 psi). Haven't noticed a difference. Gonna pump it up to 9 psi and see if it changes.
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Greg Griffin
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Original version of this Tech in surfboards.
http://www.surflight.com/Surflight/HIstory.html
NEXT GENERATION TECHNOLOGY - COMPOSITE CORE CONSTRUCTION
In the early 1990’s, Jim teamed up with Mike Croteau of Santa Cruz to develop the first prototype of the Surflight technology. They made some major improvements and decided They had a viable technology. They applied for and received a US patent and international patents in the major surf markets. Jim went on to found Surflight Hawaii in 1996 along with several backers.
What we did was make a "core" of composite materials that looks something like a large snowboard; we then surrounded it with flexible foam, similar to bodyboard foam but lighter and firmer. Think of the core as a large snowboard or small surfboard inside of a custom shaped, flexible foam surfboard. The core allows the board to flex the right amount, springs quickly back, and limits twisting. The flexible foam surrounding the core provides the shape and flotation without restricting the flex characteristics.
And once again the name Croteau appears . 
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retodd
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I thought surfboards don't flex ?
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donniedarko
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3,2,1 and luddite comes to shvt on parade 
Bufo was breaking it down big time and cooborated almost all my sentiment which I appreciated. The physics of loading applies to anything, the no flex thing is retarded statement. I did ask him that flex data must be a limited assessment in the sense that the load point isnt static when we surf, and is wide, not symmetric and is on a bias [to the rear] being we stand in stance 23-31 inches wide at two points on last 2/3 of board generally. Their load testing machine tests at one very small point with a 60kg weight. He said it was more for material flex then active 'loading' He kind of smirked in a nice way when I brought that up. Guess I think to much, probably talk to much too 
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retodd
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i am just playing
i have also had the chance to speak with buffo a few times . Rad individual
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Mooobs
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The Incide blanks are EPS, yes? My surfing may not benefit from the flex but I am a composites geek from another life and would love a new board in this tech. If nothing else, it looks killer.
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retodd
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you are correct , Incide is EPS
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donniedarko
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i am just playing
i have also had the chance to speak with buffo a few times . Rad individual
I got that... 
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Greg Griffin
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I suppose is this directed at myself
"3,2,1 and luddite comes to shvt on parade "
For posting Fact and history.
Original version of this Tech in surfboards.
http://www.surflight.com/Surflight/HIstory.html
NEXT GENERATION TECHNOLOGY - COMPOSITE CORE CONSTRUCTION
In the early 1990’s, Jim teamed up with Mike Croteau of Santa Cruz to develop the first prototype of the Surflight technology. They made some major improvements and decided They had a viable technology. They applied for and received a US patent and international patents in the major surf markets. Jim went on to found Surflight Hawaii in 1996 along with several backers.
What we did was make a "core" of composite materials that looks something like a large snowboard; we then surrounded it with flexible foam, similar to bodyboard foam but lighter and firmer. Think of the core as a large snowboard or small surfboard inside of a custom shaped, flexible foam surfboard. The core allows the board to flex the right amount, springs quickly back, and limits twisting. The flexible foam surrounding the core provides the shape and flotation without restricting the flex characteristics.
And once again the name Croteau appears .
I am a big fan of Bufo and what he has done before any here ever knew of them .
His first boards as I remember were hollow like Aviso but many years before.
He had a video of himself jumping on one between 2 chairs hitting the ceiling with his head from the spring in the boards.
They were all white then.
Jim was a Brewer shaper and almost all of Mark Richards Brewers in the 70's were made by him.
In 1980 I came to Hawaii to take his position at Local Motion when he went to graduate school at MIT.
He taught calculus there to pay for it.
Jim knows a lot about materials and flex and is a professor at UH now.
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donniedarko
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I suppose is this directed at myself
"3,2,1 and luddite comes to shvt on parade "
Your name Luddit or Roy Stewart. We got your suggestion the tech was stolen and designed in your last post about it.
I started the thread stating Hydroflex was building some boards with Dan's blanks... thats all
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Greg Griffin
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This information I posted is as related as you can get on Inside Blanks.
Nothing negative said only from your mind.
It would be much better to discuss what I posted rather than go where you go which is useless hate .
In 1975 Jim's work with a Berkley Physicist inspired Jim Pollard to make the first channel bottoms which Col Smith rode.
Jim is a graduate of MIT and has spent over 25 years working with controlled flex and alternative materials.
He is more relative than anyone on this subject.
And you don't WANT TO KNOW .
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retodd
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is jim related to john from surfboards Makaha ?
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laidback
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Greg,
Have you shaped one?
Any plans or desire to shape a incide blank?
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Greg Griffin
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John is the son of Jay Richardson in Makaha.
Jay and I were shaping buddies at T&C in the 80's . :-)
We are all friends.
Laidback , if Eric's new machine can cut it I would be excited making some if there was a demand.
The other machines here that can do this I don't want to use.
Expanding threads with relative information should not be illegal here.
What Jim was working on in 1975- redesigned -would change surfboard design forever.
Dan has a World Longboard Championship won on his board , just like myself.
Something surf - Big Name related for Donnie to bark about.
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Is that a Guadaskakakaskskskakaskas in the background of Lohan when she was hot?
Guadakaksaksas are creepy monsters
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donniedarko
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This information I posted is as related as you can get on Inside Blanks.
Nothing negative said only from your mind.
It would be much better to discuss what I posted rather than go where you go which is useless hate .
In 1975 Jim's work with a Berkley Physicist inspired Jim Pollard to make the first channel bottoms which Col Smith rode.
Jim is a graduate of MIT and has spent over 25 years working with controlled flex and alternative materials.
He is more relative than anyone on this subject.
And you don't WANT TO KNOW .
Whose being negative... and whose hating? wtf you tripping on?
I posted this because someone asked if HF X Incide could happen I met with Rich and Bufo and they said yea. Your tripping GG, Im glad for your facts, Im glad for everything you say but nothing was directed at you, or nor did I or anyone else ask your opinion input or feedback. This wasnt a query but me posting a simple fact or a conversation and confirmation of that.
...and I dont WANT TO KNOW? what? what are you spouting about? chill out or better yet carry on, some us actually do want to know, but without the shvtty omnipotent I know everything, I shaped a board for surfer X before god was alive uber relavant shaper like yourself. thanks but no thanks
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Greg Griffin
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This your comment towards my posting Information that none here know of.
New information on a design forum.
3,2,1 and luddite comes to shvt on parade
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prjwebb
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I think he was referring to Roy and his opinions on flex in surfboards Greg.
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PartyBoy
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Off topic but Jim sold me my first blank.
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